Can transsexuals truly be allies to women?

Ally is one of those things where I think ‘well I don’t wish that group/cause any harm, and would support equal rights/for them to achieve their goal,’ so I’m an ally to pretty much anything legal/positive. It’s a pointless term, only useful for virtue signaling. So yes, transsexuals can be allies to women, in as much as they don’t hate us and are in favour of maintaining/strengthening sex based protections. I’m automatically suspicious of anyone who calls themselves an ally to anything/one though, as it’s ultimately a selfish title, and by stating ‘I’m an ally to’ should just be stating the obvious if you’re a decent human being, and takes the emphasis off the cause/group and puts it onto the so-called ally.

I hate that we’ve got to the point where it has to be stated that we’re allied to anything. It says to me that the default position is ignorance/not giving a shit, and that’s just sad.

I like the term "friend to" better than ally. So, I'd say Miranda Yardley is a friend to women, and so is Glinner. I may not always agree with them, but I always get the sense that they see women as people and care about what we have to say. There are some purportedly GC transsexuals who I'm less convinced meet either of the above criteria.

I think it is important to realise that gender-critical transsexuals often are motivated to some extent by self-interest, but so are most gender-critical women. I'm not so interested in the concept of 'allies' or ideological purity. I want to stop sex self-identity, not spend aeons debating it. So I am supportive of anyone who is working to improve awareness of the self-identity proposals, their potential impact and help stop its implementation.

I don't think it's necessary to be the same as another person to form a mutually supportive relationship. I don't like men calling themselves feminists (I know there's tons of disagreement about this), but a male person can support women without claiming the term for himself.

I think transsexuals need their own movement that's entirely separate from what TRAs are doing. That doesn't mean they can't still be supportive of feminists, or that the two movements can't potentially work together on some things.

A lot of ‘good feminist/bad feminist’ in being bandied around at the moment, often by new posters or within the LibDems. You apparently can’t be a good feminist if you don’t support the TRA agenda, if you use certain speaking platforms in the US (even if no others are offered..and the end result is a a some people on the left also starting to think) and so on. Feminist is harder to define than ‘woman’ so a word that is misappropriated more easily.

I don’t think there is a feminist movement on this. There are feminist groups, some more left leaning and political than others. But this is about societal change. It affects everyone. Yes ‘feminists’ may have put their heads above the parapet first, but transsexuals have a lot to offer to offer in terms of insights based on lived experience. But there are going to be lots of people yelling ‘cheat’ if a MtF win gold in Tokyo and I have no doubt my builder would protest if his daughter was expected to share a tent with a teenage boy at a GG camp.

This board is brilliant for sharing information, ideas and support. But misnamed as ‘feminist chat’. No hive mind, no single purpose, just people who share wider concern about self ID and about the medicalisation of children.

I didn't read the other thread (don't know which one you mean) but I'm heartened by you aski so e of the questions

In my mind a transsexual is not a true ally to feminism if

• they position themselves as more rational than women (Ala Kinesis)
• they are not an ally if they are using feminists to protect themselves
• they are not an ally if they keep getting a voice in the media because they are trans (and so still seen as male) and they keep taking those opportunities without ever elevating women's voices
• they are not an ally if they are still married to a woman and their wife's voice is almost never heard
• they are not an ally if they are performing a sexist version of femininity rather than being themselves
• they are not an ally if they are using women's spaces like toilets and changing rooms

Feminist being nice to a transsexual does not make them an ally
I'm sure I missed a few

identify with but not as a woman?
Support women’s rights to sex based provisions and services?
Thoughtful human being who isn’t hell bent on driving women into submission?

A yes to all of those and you’re fine ;)

A baby llama is a cria (same as a baby alpaca) I think.
I personally don’t like the word ally but I know what you mean.