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Times article - accusation that top civil servant's tweet indicates bias

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/02/2019 07:15

Forgotten (again) how to do clicky links in an OP and don't have a share token anyway, but the Times is saying that the Scottish Permanent secretary put out a tweet talking about "privileged" "cisgender" people with a photo of herself with Scottish trans alliance and mermaids!

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/top-civil-servant-s-tweet-leads-to-accusations-of-pro-trans-bias-0w8fqgbcm

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Melroses · 06/02/2019 16:14

Good work, orchid. How unbelievably lazy to cut'n'paste propoganda from Canada

Totally weird.

MargueritaPink · 06/02/2019 15:06

Script" is a slang term in US English for "prescription"*

My pharmacist friends in Edinburgh and Aberdeen use "script" - it's not a US thing.

I have no idea what she meant by transcripts.

Leslie Evans' light has been somewhat diminished by the Alex Salmond fiasco.

WokeNotBloke · 06/02/2019 14:48

Civil servants move around the office frequently precisely so they don’t get too embroiled with particular stakeholders. They tend to be a sensible lot too. I think the issue here is that there has so little challenge to trans activism, that it’s been overlooked as a problematic position.

theOtherPamAyres · 06/02/2019 13:41

Ministers and governments come and go, but the enduring presence and 'insider knowledge' of civil servants ensures that the push for Trans continues.

It is civil servants who develop partnerships and nurture relationships with lobbyists, not ministers. It is rare to hear a civil servant trotting out the Stonewall party line about single-gender spaces rather than single-sex ones - but here we have it. Here is the evidence of a mindset intent on replacing 'sex' with 'gender identity'.

If we thought that the fight to retain our rights was being won, then this powerful civil servant's words should strike fear in our hearts. We have a long, long way to go.

WokeNotBloke · 06/02/2019 13:35

Wasn’t this tweeted before mermaids got their big lottery grant withdrawn for review?

Civil servants are prohibited by the civil service code from being political, so one would assume the permanent secretary viewed this an uncontroversial, eg like support world cancer day or wishing everyone a happy new year

jay55 · 06/02/2019 12:57

I suppose accessing your school or college records might be difficult if you've changed your name and refuse to utter your dead one.

I mean the exams officers are meant to be psychic and know you can't use the name you used as a student as it is literal violence.

McTufty · 06/02/2019 12:13

Thanks orchid Smile

Dothehappydance · 06/02/2019 12:11

That's it, I remember it now.

Just doesn't work in the UK

milkmoustache · 06/02/2019 11:52

Good work, orchid. How unbelievably lazy to cut'n'paste propoganda from Canada.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/02/2019 11:21

The poster is produced by the 519 Space for Change according to the logo in the bottom right. It's based in Toronto and runs a whole programme of trans focused activities www.the519.org/programs/category/trans-specific

So nothing to do with Scotland whatsoever. What a knob this woman is.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/02/2019 10:17

So civil servant is retweeting US propaganda to influence Scottish policy while promoting a lobby group (paid a lot by the Scottish government) and a dubious charity that is enthusiastic about getting minors on medication. That seems perfectly reasonable...

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nauticant · 06/02/2019 09:58

That was my assumption too Polestar50. "Script" is a slang term in US* English for "prescription" so I wonder if she'd picked up some slang (or "cleverly" invented some) to refer to a prescription for gender transition purposes.

  • yes, US language again
MillytantForceit · 06/02/2019 09:54

Trans-scripts are Real Scripts. Endof.

Dothehappydance · 06/02/2019 09:49

I have read this tweet before, and it is likely to be American. There is no doubt that in some states those who are trans have difficulty accessing some services.

It can not be taken and used in the UK because on the whole these issues are either non existent or apply to everyone.

HomeStar · 06/02/2019 09:48

Transcript means university records - my UK university used the word.

Although I can’t see why trans people would have any more difficulty accessing their transcripts than anyone else who changed their name. I guess the problem is that they might get “outed” as trans by their documents? Given that few trans people pass to the extent where that could be a genuine concern, and even some of that minority are open about being trans, and how often do you even need a transcript anyway... this seems like an inconvenience not a human rights issue.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/02/2019 09:23

I can still see the tweet McTufty. I haven't got a sub boatyard -normally I can share my email and that brings up a share token but it's not now. Does this work? www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-civil-servant-s-tweet-leads-to-accusations-of-pro-trans-bias-0w8fqgbcm

Needmoresleep · 06/02/2019 09:11

Note the use of both pronouns, she and he, in the second article. Can the victims mother who was quoted, expect a visit from the police. I thought the Scottish police were clamping down on hate.

Melroses · 06/02/2019 09:10

prescription That sounds possible, although I do not think being trans interferes with getting prescriptions - maybe getting the doctor to prescribe something you want though but that is not unusual.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/02/2019 09:06

We've all been talking our easy access to transcripts for granted for years. So privileged we didn't even notice!

Polestar50 · 06/02/2019 09:06

The only think I can think of is she meant to say prescription??

boatyardblues · 06/02/2019 09:06

I’ve seen transcripts used in educational settings, particularly in the US, to mean the record of a student’s academic achievement. Sounds American to me.

morningtoncrescent62 · 06/02/2019 08:57

Erm, what's a transcript and how do I access one? I'm not aware of having ever accessed one, but maybe that's because I'm so cis-privileged that I've been taking it for granted all these years. Confused

Melroses · 06/02/2019 08:50

Surprised Scotland need the services of a lobbyist in Leeds. Is there no home-grown gender lobbyist to correct them?

The access to transcripts is puzzling. Confused They obviously must mean something else but I'm *&^%$$£ed if I can work it out.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 06/02/2019 08:45

'Scotland’s top civil servant has urged “privileged” non-transgender people to recognise how easily they can access things such as washrooms and healthcare.'

1, is washrooms used commonly in Scotland?
2, access to toilets for women in UK is an issue since so many public ones got shut, and women and various points need them more frequently and urgently. This stops or reduces some womens ability to get out and about. Also massive queues. Which can prevent women going to stuff ie engaging in public life

This woman is a clueless twonk and needs to check her privilege!

HomeStar · 06/02/2019 08:45

Haha, because women never have any problems accessing healthcare.

Oh fuck this, that’s just too angering to joke about. Seven years the average diagnosis time for endometriosis, post-natal healthcare a fucking joke and meanwhile transwomen get their electrolysis funded on the NHS. Cis privilege!

Not to mention the additional barriers the trans rights movement is placing in the way of women getting adequate healthcare: confusing language which is exclusionary to less-educated and ESOL women, removing the choice to work with female health care providers, creating a huge risk of rape and sexual abuse by reintroducing same-sex hospital wards and mental health wards by stealth.

Cis privilege FTW.

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