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Requesting a woman as a chaperone for medical procedures

93 replies

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2019 21:32

The erosion of women’s boundaries continues apace under the name of trans inclusion, prizing validation over women’s rights to consent and dignity.

Requesting a woman as a chaperone for medical procedures
Requesting a woman as a chaperone for medical procedures
Requesting a woman as a chaperone for medical procedures
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FeedMeBooks · 06/02/2019 22:11

If you've got a woke doctor and the patient is a woman who lacks confidence to speak up (as many would when faced with authority/busy nhs etc) then it's easy to see her being steamrollered.

Smotheroffive · 06/02/2019 22:10

Dignity and privacy in action is what the GMC say it should be. Well that's not what happened is it? Its was the hcps dignity and privacy in the OP that was the only consideration!!

Smotheroffive · 06/02/2019 22:08

.... or if either of you is uncomfortable with the choice of chaperone, you may offer to delay the examination to a later date when a suitable chaperone will be available, as long as the delay would not adversely affect the patient’s health ...

Smotheroffive · 06/02/2019 22:07

...or if either of you is uncomfortable with the choice of chaperone, you may offer to delay the examination to a later date when a suitable chaperone will be available, as long as the delay would not adversely affect the patient’s health

FeedMeBooks · 06/02/2019 21:58

The GMC guidance does not say that best practice is to offer the patient a chaperone of the same sex. I think this is still 'custom & practice' but needs spelling out in current times. One for Fair Play for Women?
www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-guidance-for-doctors/intimate-examinations-and-chaperones/intimate-examinations-and-chaperones

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/02/2019 21:15

How can those - and I’m thinking about the loud aggressive ‘call me ma’am’s - be so highly strung that facing reality can cause a fit of the vapours? Whilst others are more rational and realistic.

Smotheroffive · 06/02/2019 20:42

Well they identify with women, sorry 'as' women when they want to, access to real womens vaginas, vulvas and breasts

I thought that too countess how can such a fragile HCP be caring for vulnerable andvery poorly patients? What about the patient feeling compelled to undergo an intimate exam who then goes ho!e and commits suicide because of their treatment?! Do they have any idea how to protect women who have had severe abuse, might not want to mention and is too scared to raise it as an issue, I.e. outright confront two male HCP?

Howdoidothis4eva · 06/02/2019 20:36

Guess we should all just accept our fate, do what were told, and bow down.

After all, men know best, and are more important than women, (even those that now identify as women).

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 06/02/2019 19:50

I have plenty of concerns about current nurse training pathways.

The fact that they lead to a degree isn't one of them.

Nor do I believe it has any relevance to rates of smear test attendance.

MyAnswer · 06/02/2019 19:43

I would love a journalist to highlight the lack of patient care in Gynecological issues from NHS staff, the staff seem up themselves, what part do NHS staff attitudes play in plummeting smear test numbers? Lots of ignoring the rights of and victim blaming patients. The old style nurses have now mostly retired, we are predominately left with the Nurses who trained with a degree.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/02/2019 19:42

Like pointing out that someone wasn’t born with blonde hair. Yes they may be blonde now with the help of some peroxide...

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/02/2019 19:37

If someone is so fragile that having someone mention their birth sex could cause them to commit suicide then they are not suitable for a job in which the people they are dealing with are likely to care about their sex.

Smotheroffive · 06/02/2019 19:29

Yes emotional blackmail, well called.

Gwynfluff · 06/02/2019 19:17

Bit of context given the follow-up tweets. Rates of suicide among the health profession are unfortunately high. Interestingly, female doctors as a group are one of the few population groups where females commit suicide more than males. And this goes back some years.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-45356349

Again, caution needs to be applied in suggesting there is one reason for the suicide of the health professional mentioned.

drspouse · 06/02/2019 19:15

It's a FB group with a whopping 44 members. Doesn't look official.

m.facebook.com/groups/1769110046514141?group_view_referrer=profile_browser

Juells · 06/02/2019 19:03

The twitter responses may be real, but nothing about the 'shared' experience sounds genuine. Wouldn't a doctor refer to an 'internal', not 'a vaginal examination'?

It's so ridiculous that I'd also wonder if it wasn't written by someone anti-trans.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/02/2019 18:59

794 followers... probably not an official twitter account I’d suggest.

LangCleg · 06/02/2019 18:56

All HCPs irrespective of gender or birth sex or gender need to offer patients the option of a chaperone for intimate procedures (who equally could be of either Dec or gender but is most usually the same gender as the patient being examined)

Do you mean sex?

ClosdesMouches · 06/02/2019 18:49

Lots of us are blocked by that TransNHS account.
So, given that we can't see the content to assess it ourselves, can anyone please clarify whether this is some sort of official NHS account?

adultFemaleElf · 06/02/2019 18:49

Who the fuck is Simon.

Because it sounds like he is saying, women be nice or you will be blamed for people dying

AncientLights · 06/02/2019 18:44

Does Simon seriously think the female patient had no idea the HCP was trans till their colleague pointed it out?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 06/02/2019 18:37

Another tweet from Simon:

Because calling out a person’s previous gender to them, in public, is v unpleasant and drives people to suicide.
Supporting patients, especially vulnerable ones is absolutely part of the job. And I only know of one suicide personally: trans man, and a wonderful carer to my son.

Smotheroffive · 06/02/2019 18:08

If a patient takes an aversion to anyone when it comes to an exam the hcp just needs to stop making it all about them and just get the fuck over themselves. No-one has a right to railroad a woman having instruments inserted into her vagina! Up her arse, or exposing her breasts to palpation,all men can fuck off! It's off limits, except the special one but even the leave my arse alone

No-one has rights over my body and the fictitious (hopefully) OP, is actually giving the patient proper space for informed consent when surrounded by hcp,two of whom are male (men with penis).

What is up with the men that think this is OK, as most don't. Again, I think it's bullying.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 06/02/2019 17:59

Simon says theoretically a patient should be made to feel comfortable BUT in practice trans HCP feelings take precedent

The follow up.

The last post is cobblers how to have private chats with all concerned in the short amounts of time available in NHS and to me that makes it into an even BIGGER deal.