Suffolk Police apologise!

Just for comparison purpose, I see that there has been a rise in the reporting of anti-semitic hate incidents/crimes.

Looking at the scant details, it is noticeable how many are actual CRIMES - assault, abuse, desecration, vandalism and graffiti. Less than a quarter relate to social media - a proportion of which spring from the furore in the Labour Party.

There is no doubt that Jewish people are being physically attacked, targeted and harassed. In that context, individuals are right to involve the police when they perceive hate and hostility towards Jewish people. Investigating hate incidents can be a useful crime prevention tool when it comes to a real and present threat to Jewish people.

There is no such context for police action when it comes to transphobia. There is no evidence of physical attacks or threats, and there is no real and present risk of crimes against trans people.

That's why it is a waste of police time, in the present climate.

There is a danger of calling 'wolf' and drawing on police resources when the circumstances don't warrant it. TRAs are doing immeasureable harm and can't see it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47147568

I'm a lurker rather than a poster and I'm sorry if this sounds naive - but I'm just wondering if this could set a precedence for future cases where police contact GCs for "wrongthink"?

Let's hope so! Great to see there's finally been a breakaway from the increasingly sinister silencing of any public criticism of gender ideology.

Agree with above posts about hate crime. Probably a well intentioned concept to begin with, but incidents like this just show how easily abused it can be to stifle freedom of speech.

oddly the comments on the Times article on this have been removed....

I'm a lurker rather than a poster and I'm sorry if this sounds naive - but I'm just wondering if this could set a precedence for future cases where police contact GCs for "wrongthink"?
(I hope I've worded that ok?)

I think it's starting to dawn on the police that there's very little public support for them rebranding themselves as the thought police, especially while failing to attend to burglaries etc at such high rates. It's an adding insult to injury situation when you can't get them to come out to what would traditionally have been considered a crime scene but they seem to feel they have more than enough resources to police free speech on the internet.

This report was released today. I haven't read it properly but it doesn't appear to suggest any U turn on hate crime. There is a big section on the "intra-community tension between certain sections of the LGBT+ community, with sections of the wider female population also involved"

It also includes the obligatory quote

“almost half of transgender school pupils (45%) in the UK have attempted suicide"

www.appghatecrime.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/APPG%20on%20Hate%20Crime%20Report%20Hate%20Crime%20and%20Community%20Cohesion.pdf

Great news!

It was discussed by some MPs last year that misogyny should also be a hate crime classification.

Should that happen then it's a massive free for all and the Police won't know if they're coming or going stuck between transphobic women who believe penises are male and misogynistic TRAs who want to re-educate said women with their lady sticks.

Yes I think the main reason misogyny is not already a hate crime is because they know they wouldn't be able to cope with the sheer volume of reports.

Bring it on! I think this would be the best way of securing a rethink of the concept of hate crime and its sinister Big Brother - 'hate incident'.

The wheels really do come of the bullying bus as soon as someone refuses the back down, don't they? Which is why people need to keep doing just that.

Hard to look stunning and brave when you're trying to use the police to bully a pensioner.

an invitation to abusers who can “identify” themselves into one of the protected categories.

This.

Coupled with normal discrimination being redefined to mean denial of reality.

Personally I think the concept of hate crime as it currently stands is massively flawed and needs looking at again.

This. Given that DARVO is well recognised, the current definition of hate crime is an invitation to abusers who can “identify” themselves into one of the protected categories.

I think we need to start playing TRA's at their own game. Are we able to mass report this kind of thing to the police, or does it have to be the person involved?

What we are up against is that misogyny is not one of the hate crime classifications - it's this that has allowed TRAs to weaponise the police.

It was discussed by some MPs last year that misogyny should also be a hate crime classification.

Should that happen then it's a massive free for all and the Police won't know if they're coming or going stuck between transphobic women who believe penises are male and misogynistic TRAs who want to re-educate said women with their lady sticks.

Literally every twitter convo on this subject will become a hate crime on all sides.

Personally I think the concept of hate crime as it currently stands is massively flawed and needs looking at again.

Good.

I keep thinking of the poor women who have been stalked, outed and threatened on Twitter, they've made numerous complaints to the police and nothing is done. .

I think we need to start playing TRA's at their own game. Are we able to mass report this kind of thing to the police, or does it have to be the person involved?

Will the Chief Constable acknowledge that the training was not fit for purpose and has had a damaging impact on police-public relations and confidence?

They are going to have to do if this keeps up. How many is that the last couple of weeks? Five?

Keep it coming. It's just destroying the credibility of transactivists on a daily basis. Well that and the newly re-circulated lies about feminists putting razorblades under stickers. Ffs. Idiots.

Suffolk Police are Stonewall Diversity Champions.

They've had the Stonewall Training and have access to Stonewall's resources and updates.

Will the Chief Constable acknowledge that the training was not fit for purpose and has had a damaging impact on police-public relations and confidence?

As we all know, what's very galling about this is the fact that people who have suffered genuine crimes - such as assaults, burglaries, etc - are often fobbed off by the police who don't even bother investigating at all.

SO there was ONE complaint about Margaret’s blog post, which was looked at, discussed, there was a decision that a crime had been commited, an officer was given the task of contacting Margaret. They have since gone back and looked again and decided that no crime was commited.

But they are not wasting police time!

Although I do think it is good that a police officer was prepared to go onto the programme to explain the process and to admit that they had got it wrong.

Margaret, you were fantastic on this! 💐

Haha

That a hot mess of assuming animals' species.

Meanwhile the BBC website has Seal bite 'could have killed porpoise

Well, it was top of the 5pm news. On NOW

I hope other Police authorities are taking note that pandering to these malicious idiots, does not end well.

The public will not stand for it.

Good. Very pleased to read this.

BBC not brave enough to repeat any of the posts.

At last.

Yes, it's not a good look hassling an upstanding citizen in her 70s, for blogging reality and discussing an upcoming proposal to change a law that impacts women. (That the government themselves are encouraging people to talk about.)

And the more people who refuse to roll over, the more these complaints look ridiculous and deliberate.

Good for you Margaret Nelson.

Cheers