Is lingerie empowering to women?

What I find genuinely empowering is picking up a barbell with very heavy weights on it and lifting it well. This generates actual power in me.

I quite like sexy underwear but as someone else said liking is t the same as empowering or double lollies and kittens would be the most empowering things ever.

pussy hats at women's marches certainly made some women feel empowered

Nah, Mun-hun, undies are just undies. Try this one : Adult human females being free to speak about our bodies and our experiences, without males sticking their big man-noses into our business, is 'empowering'.

All women are fantasy also sounds like a hidden message. Women often say the definition of woman is not a feeling in a man's head.

Looks like this is saying, it absolutely is.

Good luck with that message!

Since the word 'empowering' is used by Munroe to mean 'subservient to the patriarchy' the answers probably yes.

I can't see those bras fitting anyone with real tits, they're the wrong shape for those of us naturally well endowed

I know: ‘Transwomen are fantasy’?

'all women are fantasy' would be better

it's that 'no exceptions' that's so fucking creepy.

and 'the fantasy' like there's a specific fantasy that we all understand and buy into

you are like me. you've got no choice

where have I heard that before?

I can’t stop thinking of “all women are fantasy” or whatever the phrase is, as whispered by someone on a perfume advert. Woman in sexy dress, pressed against a wall, and a man whispers in her ear “all women are fantasy. The new fragrance from .”

Wise words from Tracy King:

I’m aware all women are the fantasy that’s why I’m a feminist.

Yup. Clothes that I actually find 'empowering' or a semblance thereof:

Boxing wraps. I feel tougher when I'm putting them on.
Sports bra. Running makes me feel more powerful.
DMs. In the olden days.

My new running top with built in 'gloves'. The one piece of clothing that is more practical than the male equivalent. Sucks to be you, male runners, with your fragile masculinity that requires no built in gloves. Bwahahahahaha. Or at least that's what I said to DH when he complained.

Oddly, I've just realised sunglasses. Not sure if that's a 'gaze avoidant' things.

Frankly I often need to pound things in a tub after a debate online...

Didn't Madonna start this empowering crap when she was in her pointy bra phase?

I think some surprising things are empowering to women, washing machines for example. I often put a wash on and then walk away thinking 'thank god that's the end of my involvement in this'

if I had to pound everything in a tub I certainly wouldn't have time for philosophical debates with you vipers.

Nope. My Sidi bike boots on the other hand...

Well if I considered female empowerment to be helping a bloke get a stiffy, then perhaps.

This is it in a nutshell. Perfect.

Making a bloke feel good is empowering to the woman?

It would make me feel good if DH did all the housework.

I take it that will be empowering to him then.

Excellent.

I've never worn lingerie. Just big knickers.

Been thinking about this more and when look at MB selling this as empowerment from ie my daughters prospective this is pretty shit and wreckless message they promoting.

I remember when the issues was raised, people up in arms about magazines and the photoshopped images affects it had on young girls and trying to promote awareness around that. How is it this is now acceptable?

Wonderwomans pants were empowering.

As a school girl l wore unferwear. As a woman I wear lingerie, soft, colourful and comfortable, but also pretty. My choice. Not for a man. And it makes me no less of a woman.

Of course that ad campaign is not empowering, everything about it screams coercive misogyny. Just look at the tag line '“All women are the fantasy, no exceptions!”

It’s so revealing isn’t it? About Bergdorf’s and trans ideology’s concept of women. The assumption that all women of course want to be ‘the fantasy’, because that’s what Bergdorf wants.

Yes, all women just want to be objects for the male gaze. I mean, if a man doesn’t want to fuck me, am I even really a woman?

The issue is not that women shouldn't ever feel sexy and attractive. It's about the choice to frame those feelings about intimate relationships as 'empowerment'. Yes, men are sold underwear that is billed as sexy and attractive (I note that it's always in comfortable fabrics and shapes) but you don't see it promoted as something that will empower them, except perhaps in the sense that they will be able to attract more women.
That's not the emphasis when women are told the spangly undies are empowering. We are being told here that empowerment = being sexually desirable. There's an attempt to convince us that feeling sexually attractive is analogous to feeling confident so that we can achieve things which actually empower, like education and financial independence etc. But I'm sorry, that's a shell game.

Sex and mutual attraction is a significant part of a long-term relationship

Absolutely!

Thankfully my husband and I have matching libidos (3rd husband lucky!) and a shared dislike of sex-that-requires-commercially-purchased-accessories 😂

The women here are really clever with words and language. The posters here demonstrate this beautifully with analysis of the wording, from a female perspective.

Munroe has scored an own goal with this lingerie range.
This will be bought by men, for men.

If 'empowerment' is basically a trendy word for self-confidence (which seems to be the consensus) then surely lingerie can be empowering.

In the same way that comfortable, functional underwear can improve day-to-day confidence, surely wearing something that makes you feel attractive and desirable can provide a boost too?

I'm not saying you should always 'dress for men' but there's nothing wrong with wanting to feel (and being made to feel) sexy for/by your partner. It works both ways too, men should make an effort to be, when it's appropriate, attractive/desirable to women (and this may well include smarter underwear too). Sex and mutual attraction is a significant part of a long-term relationship and to deny this in the name of feminism does a strong disservice to both sexes.

Oh, I completely agree that 'empowerment' has become a stupid buzzword to describe a feeling of confidence. And actual power is what is important. But I will contend that a feeling of confidence can be created by clothes and that can go a long way to achieving things. But it's a sort of very basic small building block, not more than that.