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Transgender child at DD’s school. Please help me write to the head?

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Comeymemo · 05/02/2019 09:14

DD attends an independent co-Ed British international school. We are in a jurisdiction that provides for protection against sex discrimination, including in education. This country has no protection against discrimination on the basis of gender, and only recognises transgender persons when the person has undergone full reassignment surgery (including sterilisation). In other words, there is no right to self gender identification where we live.

The school is split in houses, all of which are either all boys or all girls. The school has a mix of boarders and non boarders.

We recently received a letter from the head, saying that a male pupil will be moving to a girl’s house after half term as the pupil is transgender. The letter states that the pupil will use the unisex accessible toilet including to undress (eg for sports). The letter does not state if the pupil is a boarder.

I want to write to the school outlining my concerns and would welcome any help.

The areas where I would like to get reassurance are:

  • confirmation that the pupil will not be allowed to compete against girls or to be in girls’ teams for any sports
  • confirmation that the pupil will not be allowed to play female parts in any dramatic productions (DD is into sports and drama and I don’t think it fair that female roles should be given to boys, as male parts are never available to girls)
  • confirmation that the school will never allow the pupil to board in a girls’ house or to have access to girls’ boarding houses
  • confirmation that girls will never be allowed or expected to share a bedroom with the pupil on any overnight trip
  • confirmation that the school are not altering their records to reflect the pupil’s so-called self-ID, so that the pupil remains listed as male
  • confirmation that the pupil is not taking the place of any girl on any awards or recognition list, such as for school prefect, scholarships or prizes that are only available to girls.
  • would it be reasonable to request that DD is not in the same house as that pupil?

At this stage I don’t want to engage into a broader debate with the school over human rights, feminist theory or GC theory, so I’m trying to stay as down to earth as possible and seek clarification on practical areas.

Is there anything else you can think of that would be relevant in this context? Please feel free to direct me to other threads if this has been done before.

Many thanks 🙏

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AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2019 00:16

I always find it interesting when the collective "they" in terms of trans kids/people is assumed to mean just the male ones, as happened here.

Puberty blockers don't sterilise children, they delay onset of puberty. It buys the child more time to be sure they feel the need to continue along this path. Such children cant wait until they are say 16 then decide. By then the testosterone has kicked in and there entire body becomes masculine in features and strength. Once that happens its unlikely they will ever appear as a female. Its hard to hide bigger feet, hands, squarer jaw bones, body hair and the list goes on. So its not about sterilising anyone.

Are we meant to not care about the female children at all?

GlitterStick · 06/02/2019 00:10

You did glitter, at 14.35. You were in full sail with your sanctimonious pomp and had no idea you were transplaining trans to a transsexual regular here. We did though so it was really funny to watch
If so, so what? I dared to disagree with someone who is transgender? Confused
we are all allowed to have our own viewpoint and comment.

AssassinatedBeauty · 06/02/2019 00:09

"Its usually evident from a very early age, even as young as 2 years old. They tend to gravitate towards playing with more girly stuff, don't like playing with boys stuff, want to wear girls cloths,"

This is total nonsense and utterly sexist. Do you know any 2 year olds, fgs?

MeganJPerry · 06/02/2019 00:05

RepealTheGra

I look forward to the inevitable public enquiry into WTAF we thought pathologising and sterilising gender non conforming and/or gay children and experimenting on them with off label drugs was a good idea I’m the early 21st century.

Puberty blockers don't sterilise children, they delay onset of puberty. It buys the child more time to be sure they feel the need to continue along this path. Such children cant wait until they are say 16 then decide. By then the testosterone has kicked in and there entire body becomes masculine in features and strength. Once that happens its unlikely they will ever appear as a female. Its hard to hide bigger feet, hands, squarer jaw bones, body hair and the list goes on. So its not about sterilising anyone.

Also, children don't just become trans all of a sudden when they hit 10 years old or some similar age as though its some random choice they make. Its usually evident from a very early age, even as young as 2 years old. They tend to gravitate towards playing with more girly stuff, don't like playing with boys stuff, want to wear girls cloths, have more feminine mannerisms, they look so much happier when dressed according to there sense of inner-self. Many who are coerced or forced to fit into the sex they were born with become very withdrawn, and if they are berated enough and made to feel bad about themselves, they eventually become suicidal. Personally I would not have an issue with a trans child under 12 using the girls bathroom. When they hit there teens, then I can understand why some people feel very uncomfortable about that, and airing on the side of caution seems wise. Even so, i read earlier someone mention that the prisons have 80,000 men in them, 12000 i think it was were sex offenders. To add some context to that, if in the UK we have say 66 million people and lets say 50% are female and 50% male. So 12000 men out of 33 million men is something like .034% of men are sex offenders. That is a very very tiny number of people and subsequently one could suggest, a very tiny risk. You probably have more chance of getting hit by a car walking to school. I know the figures are very simplistic, but it does i think add some context to the level of threat. Even so, its always better to air on the side of caution, but be a little more realistic about the risk level perhaps?

As for contagion, I'm sure it could be a problem. People like to be different, challenge peoples views or just want to fit in. I think it is very unlikely those people would end up anywhere near an operating table or be fooled into thinking they were born in the wrong body. I'm sure there are trans children who have gone the whole way, then afterwards they have come to realise that having the body of a women (minus internal parts of course) hasn't made them feel any more content than they were just being dressed up with all there parts in tact. In time it will all balance out and lessons will be learnt. If anyone suddenly came out at the age of 12 or later saying they are trans, I would be very sceptical.

I also do not believe its a mental illness & I am sure in time it will be seen that way, anymore than being homosexual or lesbian is an illness.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2019 00:03

BTW, hi, Hamster! Was wondering if you'd gone on a MN break.

Trousering · 05/02/2019 23:59

You did glitter, at 14.35. You were in full sail with your sanctimonious pomp and had no idea you were transplaining trans to a transsexual regular here. We did though so it was really funny to watch.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2019 23:51

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GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 23:50

The bit where GlitterStick told a trans person (Hamster) they only disagreed with Glitter because they have no experience of dysmorphia was my favorite part of this thread. Nothing quite like a failed gotcha to make my day!

No I didn't. At all. Anywhere. Confused

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2019 23:46

The bit where GlitterStick told a trans person (Hamster) they only disagreed with Glitter because they have no experience of dysmorphia was my favorite part of this thread. Nothing quite like a failed gotcha to make my day!

RE the OP, write to the Head and lay out your concerns. Luckily for you the law seems to be on your side where you live, so point that out if you need to.

Chocolate50 · 05/02/2019 23:16

Is this pupil undetgoing any therapy like hormones?
It might not be such an issue if she is.
Not all boys are good at sport.
The school are trying to reassure the parents by explaining that said child will be using different toilets ( & presumably different showers because otherwise the toilet thing wouldn't be needed).
Your post reads as competitive. I think these type of scenarios will become more normal I'm sure you won't want to hear that....

Thisnamechanger · 05/02/2019 23:16

Your dd is fine. This child is in turmoil

This. A lot.

RepealTheGRA · 05/02/2019 23:03

Medication can and is prescribed for under 16s both privately and on the NHS.

I look forward to the inevitable public enquiry into WTAF we thought pathologising and sterilising gender non conforming and/or gay children and experimenting on them with off label drugs was a good idea I’m the early 21st century.

Hamster00 nice to see you still posting here.Smile

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:59

Which poor child aenn ?

I'm assuming the one that OP and others don't even want in the school play. Unless it's under conditions and pre approved roles.

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:56

Which poor child aenn ?

Aenn · 05/02/2019 22:52

Holy fuck op
Why don’t you just leave the situation alone
Poor poor child
Sad

Your concerns are all theoretical. You are pontificating about nothing. Your dd is fine. This child is in turmoil.

LangCleg · 05/02/2019 22:44

It IS a contagion.... and it's getting worse.

Yes, and if my child was at a boarding school - a much more intense and close environment than a normal school - and a trans child was a pupil, I would want to know what safeguarding procedures the school had to guard against cluster contagion. I would also want to know whether my child was going to be taught the genderist religious catechism about the souls of one sex in the body of another.

This does not imply any ill feeling towards the gender-questioning child on my part. It implies my requirement that the school my child attends has sufficient safeguarding policies and also that it does not teach religion (any religions) as fact but as the metaphysical belief system it is.

By the same token, kids can be unkind. So I would also be telling my child in no uncertain terms not to partake in any mocking or bullying of the gender-questioning child.

anniehm · 05/02/2019 22:28

I don't know about your child's school but my DD's boarding school has a room that is neither in the boys nor girls section which can be used by disabled students or (once) a gender confused student (they have returned to identifying as their birth gender).

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:25

Hamster helooooo
I saw glitter never acknowledged your post either.
Which was a cracker tbf

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:23

Did you ?
Can you recap cos I can’t see it

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:21

Crossposted again (check the times) before anyone accuses me of not answering. I already did,

Hamster00 · 05/02/2019 22:21

littlebrowndog

I'm still waiting for Glitter's documented scientific evidence of someone being born in the wrong body PAGES back. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Trousering · 05/02/2019 22:21

😂 Hamster got trans-ally-splained 😂

With glitter on.

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:20

Just seen you post a comment a bit further up before my comment posted.
Makes a bit more sense now - you've been answered upthread.

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:20

Yes I asked you a question about what is a woman or the sense of a woman
It’s a basic question

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:18

Oi oi glitter

Confused
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