Homophobia and the Modern Trans Movement

Jane Fae isn't much of a legal scholar. A swift skim of the judgement linked in the article shows that the Court of Appeal reduced the woman's sentence from 3 years to 3 months time served, plus 9 months suspended for 2 years with supervision so she could get help.

She appealed against her conviction, (she had pleaded guilty to offences of assault by penetration : not rape as in this country you need a penis to rape. The penetration was oral and digital, not with the strap on. ) The court of appeal agreed that gender deception was capable of vitiating consent.

They tackled the HIV point, too, saying that non disclosed STD doesn't vitiate consent, but it leads to other consequences (like GBH) if there is transmission.

Poor effort Jane. Nothing scholarly about that piece.

New Statesman:
Jane Fae is a feminist writer

LMFAO

I wrote a post aout it at the time and was told by the author I just didnt understand feminist scholarship. Dude, its consent I get and the difference between our positions isnot an understanding of female legal scholarship.

Thanks, Lisa, that's the one I was thinking of.

Angryattackkittens THere was this spectacular piece of rape apologism in the NEw Statesman. www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/06/trans-or-otherwise-its-time-overhaul-law-rape-deception
I think the attempt to present it as feminist legal scholarship is audacious but self awareness as the misogyny, rape apologism and advice for those crossing the legal line with regard to filmed abuse spews forth is not Janes strong point,

If anyone has a link to Jane Fae's comments on that case please post them, they make chilling reading.

Anyone who knowingly tricks someone into sex that they wouldn't have had if they'd had the information that person was deliberately withholding should feel guilty, and that guilt is what's being avoided by all this projection.

It's more than that it is a crime surely, like the Gayle Newland case. You can't trick people into having sex with you by pretending to be something you are not.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex

In the radio programme one of the speakers talked about how awful it was that someone would say they would feel sick to find out what they thought was a same sex encounter was in fact with a trans person. Not of course thinking that a gay man or a lesbian might just conceivably feel they had been tricked into a herterosexual encounter.

Anyone who knowingly tricks someone into sex that they wouldn't have had if they'd had the information that person was deliberately withholding should feel guilty, and that guilt is what's being avoided by all this projection.

That the same LGBT orgs then demanded that lesbians be thrown out of feminism for not doing dick and made refusal a punching offence. Wow.

I listened to a bit of one with Fox and Sharon. Fox is just a massively dull narcissist. It took the presenter about five minutes to explain Fox's identity.

I note noone has yet really said that gay men should be willing to accept vagina.

The sheer disregard for consent and boundaries shocked me. I started doing a 'daily reminder' lesbian meant lesbian on twitter, and the response just made my jaw drop and all of a sudden you realised what this encroachment on lesbian spaces had meant- these males outraged at you 'popolicing' their identity as having the right to sexually abuse lesbians, basic normal human interaction was abandoned with consent. Yeah sure you can abuse that woman and call it debating whether you are lesbian...yeah sure you can just sexually harrass and coerce young lesbians...cos you are marginalised now...

Watching the LGBYRTESSGFQWEYRTUIPP turn on lesbians was stunning, almost as stunning as the wholesale blind eye to hte disturbing approach to children inherent here. The whole thing has been staggering. How in 2018 did we get to the point where LGBT means a movement where sexual abuse of lesbians is de rigeur and normal?

You cant get round the fact that however much a trans persons believes they are someone of the opposite sex to the one they are born, most other people just dont believe it.
It's the elephant in the room.
In telling the white lies and being considerate we've:
1/been taken literally by the dysphoric
2/been used by the autogynephiles for validation
3/lost the trust of children by gaslighting them
4/tied ourselves in legal knots that might unravel women's and gay rights
5/provided homophobes with a get-out politically
6/provided homophobic parents with a cure-all for their possibly gay children
7/pushed the boundaries of what a child can consent to
8/uncovered new ways in which men can harass girls
9/lost sympathy for feminism
10/lost sympathy and tolerance for gay rights

Did I miss any?

I'm lost on appropriated music? They really do like to call the shots don't they?

Or not giving a shit about consent at all because validation is so much more important.

In the radio programme one of the speakers talked about how awful it was that someone would say they would feel sick to find out what they thought was a same sex encounter was in fact with a trans person. Not of course thinking that a gay man or a lesbian might just conceivably feel they had been tricked into a herterosexual encounter.

I miss that bit. Yet again, misunderstanding what consent is.

stumbledin

From what I've worked out it's all about fox and owl. I couldn't be arsed to listen properly. It was basically "two people can fall in love" and didn't really need a 5 part series. It was just educating the masses on word salad as far as I could tell. Probably recompense for woman's hour.

Appropriation women irony

I'm trying to get those three words into a coherent sentence. I think you get the idea.

But the increasingly common attacks on gay men and women I’ve witnessed are consistent with emerging strains of transgender philosophy—if that is the right word—which now serve to define the movement’s outwardly expressed political goals. And it’s not hard to see a connection between this homophobia-contaminated militancy and the social contagion sweeping North America, by which students are demanding non-gendered toilets, and young children are demanding body modifications and hormone blockers to support their suddenly expressed trans self-identification.....

But now I’m beginning to wonder if the trans movement has any use for me—or for any gay man or woman who dissents from that movement’s increasingly radicalized demands of society and of children’s bodies.

Thoughtful, well-argued article.

I had expected more gay men to speak out against all of this and have been disappointed by the response. I feel used actually as I, along with many women, supported gay men in their fight over the years to be treated fairly, as we did for lesbians. Yet the men haven't reciprocated that respect and support. It makes me think they have taken their place in the male hierarchy, enabled by our support, only to add their weight to the misogyny and sexism personified by Stonewall.

I have issues with my mother. Don’t we all? I have called her names—to her face and in print. I will not repeat them here. But I want to publicly forgive her, now, for whatever I have accused her of, because she had the kindness and grace to respect my budding sexuality as I then perceived it. And she had enough respect for me to say, “You’re just too young” when I wondered what lay in store for my future. If only we all had the courage to say these same words to our own children.

I am pleased for them they have reached this understanding of the complexities of being a mum. Too many men are ready to blame "mum" for all their woes - in fact, many never seem to get over it and are looking for mum in a partner so they can continue to be mothered.

PS Meant to add that the BBC has gone all out trans this week. There was also a play about a trans relationship which some said I should listen to. If it was meant to make me understand I'm afraid it didn't. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00027n2

By coincidence I had to wait in today and heard part of a Radio 4 programme called Full Circle. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00026xg It was the last of one of five and seemed to focus on trans people experience of relationships. And I know I wasn't totally focused on it but all the statements made just left me thinking this was about people who could not accept that they might be gay or lesbian.

I know I have this thought in my head anyway from the number of prominent trans women who all seem to have had parents (usually the father) who was vehemently anti gay and held to traditional male roles.

And it does seem, as said in the article and by many others, we now have a situation where families would prefer a trans child than a gay or lesbian child.

Is it any wonder that young people growing up in that environment are susceptible to the trans agenda?

And this seems to move onto challenging both gay men and lesbians that somehow their reality (of being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex) is somehow not valid. Or worse still, that in being confident of that same sex attraction they are a threat to those who dont dare express it.

So much of trans is not about learning to live comfortably with themselves but with enforcing view points on other people.

In the radio programme one of the speakers talked about how awful it was that someone would say they would feel sick to find out what they thought was a same sex encounter was in fact with a trans person. Not of course thinking that a gay man or a lesbian might just conceivably feel they had been tricked into a herterosexual encounter.

Not unlike the women who were tricked by spy cops into a sexual relationships.

You cant get round the fact that however much a trans persons believes they are someone of the opposite sex to the one they are born, most other people just dont believe it.

But lots of attendees were Hispanic. Did they all deserve to be shot at because there was one "sinner" in the group?

WTF is appropriated music?

He does explain in the article:
Members of the audience stood up and opined about the apparently problematic practice of a white drag queen (like me) lip-synching to “appropriated music”—by which they meant music originally written and performed by non-white artists.

WTF is appropriated music? It was a Latino night full of Hispanic people. Is this TRAs thinking all gay men are white again?

I'm glad that it's finally clicking for a lot of gay men how much of a danger to gay boys TRAs are. The sooner TRAs are unable to hide behind the gay community the better.