Mermaids 'power couple' Hannah & Jake Graf say surrogacy laws must be changed to force women to hand over babies

(Excuse typos, kept having to rewrite amd failed at the editing )

Being trans isn’t an absolute bar to adopting - very little is.

But each case is considered on its own merit.

A couple who will not consider the legal uncertainly associated with using a surrogate are unlikely to favour the timescales and uncertainty of adoption.

Horrifying.

I agree with littlecabbage

And what happens if there sadly, during a traumatic childbirth, a choice between saving the saving the mother's life or the baby/babies?

Does that get put in the contracts?

"When you simply accept that TRANS MEN ARE MEN and TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN you realise there is nothing to fear."

And if you don't accept that, then there is something to fear?

They probably could be eligible to adopt but that means phsycological screening waiting lists and no gaurantee of a new born in the Uk

Would they be allowed to adopt?

I know of a gay couple who chose a specific country for their surrogate children because it “was the cheapest”. So the most likely place to have poor , desperate women.
These are the sort of men who would say that buying a kidney is a very bad thing.
Absolutely agree that surrogacy should be banned, except for absolute altruism, such as a sister or mother carrying a baby for their family member.

Thank you everyone who did remember the crossing continents programme was about Cambodia.

I was going to say, don't worry as it won't happen. The UK government won't even consider this.
I was going to say that half the population will never be 'erased'.
I'd also say that porn laws won't be relaxed as we know hard core porn is getting worse and being viewed more.

I think many of us here see the slippery slope ahead of us and we're being marched along to the edge and forced to jump off.

It never ceases to amaze me how this small proportion of the population have got some much power and influence on so many issues and areas that involve women (hardly ever men).

I hope common sense prevails. I hope we all keep fighting for women and children despite our differences.

The Daily and Kardashian babies were set to work from birth, the Daily baby was involved in the most peculiar Pampers promotion I have ever seen. The baby had to pay the parents back for the money spent on the surrogate?

I assume that the transition treatment has made them both infertile and that Jake had a hysterectomy.

But it's fine right? Someone else can just do the baby bit?

I agree that this
It's funny how for all the TWAW mantra everybody knows who is really a woman when they need them for their body parts

is so key in all of this.

Talk about having your cake and eating it!

theredjellybean It was Cambodia, if this is the programme you mean?
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06swvcb

More information
mothers cambodia

Laos is also apparently becoming the go-to nation for cheap surrogacy, since it' spretty much unregulated there
www.reuters.com/article/us-laos-surrogacy/wombs-for-rent-business-flourishes-in-communist-laos-idUSKBN18Y39R

I've always been uncomfortable about surrogacy but I now think it should be banned. Just because science can do something, doesn't mean that we should.

He was appalled, arriving in the UK with the baby to have to go through the British court system to officially get a parental responsibility order. (Sorry, I can't remember precisely what it is called). And that someone would visit their home to check everything was in order, with the implication the baby could be taken from them if certain standards or conditions were not met.

It's as hard or harder to adopt a rescue dog as far as I can tell.

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I don't know who jake and hannah are and don't think I can bear to watch.. I am presuming they are both trans..? Does that mean jake is a menstruator and hannah a sperminator.. So why don't they just have a baby the normal biological way??
And then they can make a frigging song and dance about him being the first "man" to have a baby...
Though think it's been done already
If they are both male thus both sperminators and hannah just likes dressing in culturally female clothing then go get a puppy...
Children are not a right.
If Your life choices has made it impossible for you to be a biological parent, suck it up.
Your not the same as couples rendered infertile due to something like chemo ffs

It's funny how for all the TWAW mantra everybody knows who is really a woman when they need them for their body parts

This with fucking bells on!

This is what needs to be on t shirts and plastered all over buildings!

This is what needs to be responded to by the 'woke' politicians and everyone else.

This.

To me it is a form of trafficking in human beings. A child is not a commodity

This

It's funny how for all the TWAW mantra everybody knows who is really a woman when they need them for their body parts

and this

Somebody stop the world, I want to get off.

One of the big arguments in the transgender debate is that young men and women are deliberately making themselves infertile

They then expect the fairy godmother in the form of business, public services, the UK tax payer, the NHS, a surrogate and innocent baby to make every single dream they have come true from compelled speech, gaslighting to slavery, the poor Emperor is the most oppressed ever!

So - how long until surrogacy is an option at the Job Centre? Sanctions for refusal, of course.

Then what happens when a trans woman applies for a surrogacy job, she can't be discriminated against surely?

I don’t agree with commercial surrogacy regardless of whether the intended parents are cis, trans, straight, gay etc. This article might as well be from Gilead.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2017/11/20390/

They had a film crew in their home recently, if that's it at it's TV best, it's not a safe environment for a child.

One of the big arguments in the transgender debate is that young men and women are deliberately making themselves infertile in order to 'transition'.

'Well its fine, they can just use a surrogate when they are ready for kids' is a nice convenient come back for that isn't it? Addresses that little sticking point nicely...

It needs establishing now, in law, that children are not a right, not an entitlement, not a necessary accessory to a chosen identity

This

It's funny how for all the TWAW mantra everybody knows who is really a woman when they need them for their body parts

And this

littlecabbage I agree.
I find it difficult subject to navigate partly because some mums do not bond during pregnancy ( which is perfectly fine) nevertheless the baby will have a bond to all that it has known for its first 9 months of existence. The baby’s needs should be prioritised.