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So much for 'good guy' allies

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 01:07

Am blocked by Jonathon Best for leaving a mild criticism of his choice to retweet Harrop, in the stampede to condemn the direct action of JL and PP.

I have no opinion on the action, having not seen the video yet myself.

But I do strongly object to male allies retweeting woman haters in an attempt to manage their own reputations.

Neither tweet was abusive; the emotion expressed was disappointment.

So that's what our male allies think of us. Disagree, even politely, and you're out.

Don't rely on male 'allies'. Their support is conditional on never being challenged.

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OrchidInTheSun · 01/02/2019 03:35

It was because they mis-gendered McBride. The worst thing women can do is to refuse to pander to men's delusions. And yes, I saw a smile.

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 02:54

How was it different to the women who confronted (with questions) that US politician in the lift when the Kavanaugh hearing were on ?

Genuine question. What is the violence people are seeing ? Is there a bit of the video I haven't seen where they hit or otherwise abused the lobbyist ?

And why would anyone retweet Harrop to distance themselves from it ?

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 02:43

thin

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 02:42

Well, let's hope not all male allies are so think skinned.

An inability to accept disagreement from women is generally not the sign of a pro woman man.

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QuietContraryMary · 01/02/2019 02:40

it wasn't really direct action, they walked past a meeting room in a government building and had a go at a lobbyist. I bet if they had been lobbyists for Monsanto or whatever and some passing person had had a rant about GM crops everyone would have been applauding their stunning bravery.

All this bollocks gaslighting about people being made to feel 'unsafe' when they actually mean 'made to feel slightly awkward' or 'challenged about the controversial position they hold' has to stop.

It's bollocks.

Bluestitch · 01/02/2019 02:24

That's a shame he blocked you. Speaking of male allies though, Joe McGann is retweeting Glinner and other GC accounts as well as sharing the Stonewall petition.

ToeToToe · 01/02/2019 02:02

Coyacoan - No I don't.

I was most surprised. Posie is a self-styled, provocative activist, and Julia has never shied away from direct action.

It reminded me of the sort of stuff the Suffragettes would have done - they weren't there to be 'nice' or popular - they were there to agitate.

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 01:53

Coyoacan - no.

I understand other objections to PP, but I did not consider that action - now I've seen it - remotely 'violent'.

However, I don't think the abuse Rosa received as a result of disagreeing is acceptable either.

Idk. It's all very depressing. I do think many feminists (not referring to KS or RF here) pay only lip service to the reality of mothers and mothering, and issues of mothering, and really see no urgency to promote and give voice to the mothers dealing with ROGD.

But that's a broader problem with feminism - beyond reproductive health and child care, as a movement it has struggled to deal with the concerns of mothers.

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 01:49

Thanks for the article, btw.

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Coyoacan · 01/02/2019 01:49

Does anyone understand the reactions of Dr. Stock and Rosa Freedman to that video? I'm always admired them but I cannot for the life of me understand why they thought the actions in that video were so wrong and "violent".

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ContentiousOne · 01/02/2019 01:49

I don't always agree with Posie.

I don't know if this action was a net positive or negative.

I don't characterise it as 'violence', and as I don't have a reputation to manage, I'm not in a rush to call it out as such.

I do appreciate that PP and JL gave ROGD mums in the US a platform. Shame on the left and centre for not supporting it.

This was just a good reminder to me that just because men talk the talk, doesn't mean they walk the walk.

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ToeToToe · 01/02/2019 01:38

I realise this may not have been the point of your thread OP, so yes, I agree with your OP all the way.

ToeToToe · 01/02/2019 01:34

Oh well. I've just put this on another. might as well put it here too.

I don't condemn posie & julia one little bit.

spectator.us/terfs-take-america/?fbclid=IwAR0JTRWmb4GBSC8xtptIvlkb8ac9O8XehblIKOAEQpH0vj1Gxl_o8rFeah0

This is a great article, that also doesn't condemn posie and julia.

If you watch the video closely, you can see the very obvious "duper's delight" smile on the face of Sarah McBride. Sarah McBride was trying to pass legislation that will undermine or even destroys the right of women and girls.

Sarah McBride wasn't upset, or intimidated, or scared.

Sarah McBride smiled

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