Harassing people at work *and* teaming up with the religious right

Just imagine if women all over the world worked together.

Clearly, some people are imagining it and don’t like the idea :)

Hence all the threads telling us posie is a terrible person and we are all right wing bigots.

Sorry chaps. Still not shutting up :) still explaining the issues to everyone around me. Still working together with other women.

Right wing and left women say something is an issue

They are absolutely terrified that women will put our class interests as women above our political allegiances, because if we did that consistently male hegemony would be in serious trouble.

Increasingly, the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' are becoming irrelevant. You can have 'liberal' conservatives, and very illiberal socialists. Capitalism v state? The main political divide nowadays - not well represented by political parties in the US or U.K. in our 2 party systems - is nationalist or globalist.

None of these have any bearing on whether women, and their specific needs, are defined by our biology or some other (undefinable) attribute.

Right wing and left women say something is an issue. Could this be

A. Time for the left wing woman to recant because the right is evil ?

Or

B. A wide ranging issue that impacts all women regardless of political bent?

Hmm. I’ll go for b.

Left women women are women
Right wing women are women
Atheist women are women
Religious women are women
Men are not women.

This issue affects all women. Expect all women to be interested in it.

PP and JL are members of the public who asked a political lobbyist who happened to be in a publicly accessible building for their views on policy that lobbyist is trying to push through. Policy that is damaging for women and their children. In what world is what they did wrong? If members of the public can't ask questions directly to those with power who seek to change or demolish women's rights then that is a BIG problem. Frankly I am disgusted by the lack of loyalty and willingness to nodding dog along with those criticising what they did. Fine if you don't like it but don't join in with the TRA ffs!

Agree that was a great article in the US edition of the Spectator.

There’s a distinct whiff of old-fashioned, burn’em at the stake, commentary coming through.

Of course.

Does that mean transwomen on the religious right aren't real transwomen in your view?

A political lobbyist lobbying the senate for their own purposes isn't at work. The principles of democracy demand their actions must be public and open to full scrutiny at all times. It is correct to question them.

Now I'll just wait for your condemnation of bomb threats, violence etc to stop women meeting to talk to each other. I'm sure you'll do this within seconds of me posting

^good, obvs

Stop the War's "teaming up with" the Islamic religious right got a free pass with the woke, despite similar homophobia and often far worse anti-women attitudes and practices

This is a really goof point. I'll try to remember it when this "you baddies, teaming up with right wing groups on a single issue that you happen to both agree on" nonsense comes up again.

I think this is a broad church

there's people in it who do things I wouldn't

and I think that as long as those things are legal and not violent, that's a good thing

suffragettes weren't nice, they did a bunch of stuff that was both illegal and violent.

I was reading the comments on the independents very negative report on Posie and Julia. They were surprisingly supportive.

I'm still not sure it was a great idea. But at least (unlike trans activists) they didn't get violent

and Venice of course!

I read that Spectator US article ToeToToe

it's outstanding. Posie and Julia are really making waves

I think what they have done is fantastic

Someone call a waaaahmbulance to treat the hurty feelz, stat.

At least they haven't been threatening to harass women at their churches. You know, just drop by with their criminal buddies.

If 80% of the population or whateveritis believe sex is immutable etc then we are all going to have to cope with the fact that we will agree on this with a whole lot of people we would not wish to be stuck in a lift with

Just because we all share an opinion doesn't make us responsible for each others' choices.

There’s a distinct whiff of old-fashioned, burn’em at the stake, commentary coming through.

For example:
“Plus it exposes your followers to them. It's best to refute them in a separate comment so as to not get drawn into the devil's dance.”

Bursting into a meeting wasn’t nice. It goes against all our socialisation. The men are outraged because women didn’t know their place and penetrated (deliberate) the bastions of power without permission.

This is not a war that will be won with tea and biscuits. Men are in the process of removing the few protections women have fought for. They’re not doing it for the right to express themselves freely, but out of a deep-seated, long-standing, culture-wide resentment of women’s rights.

And the first of those rights they want to remove is the right to name ourselves. Adam’s Task was the naming of animals, and in the naming he gained sovereignty over them. If we allow men to name us, to take all meaning from the words woman and female, the patriarchy is asserting ownership.

We’re not going to polite the opposition into justice.

spectator.us/terfs-take-america/?fbclid=IwAR0JTRWmb4GBSC8xtptIvlkb8ac9O8XehblIKOAEQpH0vj1Gxl_o8rFeah0

Great article.

If you watch the video closely, you can see the very obvious "duper's delight" smile on the face of Sarah McBride. Sarah McBride was trying to pass legislation that will undermine or even destroys the right of women and girls.

Sarah McBride wasn't upset, or intimidated, or scared.

Sarah McBride smiled.

They weren't 'at work', they were in the Senate lobbying an elected representative in the pursuance of men's sexual rights.

Because the OP is a fairly prolific drive by plopper poster. And doesn't have anything to offer of value in a discussion on this subject, so she certainly won't stick around to engage with the women here.

teaming up"

Is that how we should describe TRAs regarding your support of Ian Huntley and Karen White?

Rich and poor, Christian and atheist, left and right know that the sky is blue, the grass is green, and sex is immutable.

And if my house was on fire I'd accept a bucket of water from anyone of any political belief to help me put it out, thank them, then return to opposing them politically exactly as before.

Grow up.

Well said.

Is that how we should describe TRAs regarding your support of Ian Huntley and Karen White?

This. When GC women start campaigning for the release of child murderers and rapists that’ll be a bad week for GC.