Posie Parker in the USA

Oxytocindeficient you were not derailing and I didn't mean you.

I am so sorry for what happened. "At the time I was called a slut, by my friends.'

Again, womem (I assume?) attacking other womem when they could be supporting.

We have to acknowledge we are brought up with internalized misogyny.

Thank you. At the time I was called a slut, by my friends, because as I was passed out from hitting my head, I couldn’t object or fight back. I was saved by a man. So I’m sadly quite hardened to the way other women behave around the issue of rape. I do so appreciate your response though.

Oxytocindeficien Its a massive problem, how people from both sexes deny the experiences and voices of those who have been sexually and violently abused.

In any space or situation, their voices must be heard and respected.

YetAnotherSpartacus "I will always personally put women's ability to control their fertility as a major feminist issue. " then please do spare a thought for the large numbers of girls identifying as boys. Some will lose their wombs before they know of they want to reproduce.

Did you hear the stories at the start of the panel at the Heritage Foundation?

This is about more than women's spaces, it's also about female bodies and minds.

This thread is excellent:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3490776-Women-Stand-Up-in-Washington-D-C

Why can't we put this sniping aside and focus!

Agreed, apologies for derailing but that really angered me. Women shouldn’t be asked to list their fears in order after rape.

Anyhow, there are other far better and more constructive threads on the activities in Washington, please join us there. I’ve been reading the article by Natasha Chart, it’s fantastic!

oxy

made me think of that Manic Street Preachers' song If you tolerate this then your children will be next Yep. Who'd have thought then it would really, actually happen.

R0wantrees

Thank you. At the time I was called a slut, by my friends, because as I was passed out from hitting my head, I couldn’t object or fight back. I was saved by a man. So I’m sadly quite hardened to the way other women behave around the issue of rape. I do so appreciate your response though.

Typo...This kind..

Why can't we put this sniping aside and focus!

I don't always agree with Posy. I find her rude at times but I am so thankful she is doing what she is doing.

I saw that article and heard of an ambush! I clicked the link (slightly fearfully) and two slim womem, one really quite petite, asked questions in a slightly raised voice. How was that intimidating?

Some TV company has got to get them on with someone who can answer their questions!

The idea that ‘being unable to identify woman’ will lead to an erasure of rights and policies that only effect woman such as breastfeeding, periods, abortions etc is what I meant by straw man.

I doubt that it will ever be impossible to identify people who are biologically female.

The problem is the eradication of language to refer to people who are biologically female. You cannot explain the structural impact of breastfeeding, pregnancy, access to birth control - of physically being female - if you have to pretend that there is no such thing as biological sex.

I haven't suddenly made up the idea that these things impact women. Actual laws restricting women's rights were enforced in the UK until 2 or 3 generations ago and women only really started to be able to participate in society on equal terms with men when they had access to birth control.

None of this has anything to do with identity.

The most you can say is that people suffer discrimination when their gender is observed to be female. That is an external not internal identification.

I think it's fine to criticise Posie Parker for associating with the Heritage Foundation - everyone has their own line and twitter has been full of GC feminists criticising her. However, using it as a 'gotcha' to undermine feminists fighting for women's rights would be like the Conservatives claiming that anti-semitism in the Labour Party justifies the Windrush scandal.

As a woman who has been gang raped, I’m sickened that question is even asked. I had, still have, many fears and immediately afterwards I wanted to be near NO MALES. I still do not want males in places where I’ll be vulnerable. I don’t list my fears in order ffs.

Oxytocindeficient I can't understand how any woman or person with empathy could not acknowledge your post.

I will never understand how someone could continue to argue against you without stopping for a secong to acknowledge your experiences and I hope never to.

This is Mumsnet FFS

with all participants stressing to their followers that they will continue to strenuously oppose each other on almost everything else

I don't remember you (sorry) - so many people change names so often. However, I have been here since October 2016 and with only the same name and I am wary of allying ourselves with the right. I'm not quite sure that I follow all the nuances of the debate about whether genderism (or gender fundamentalism or essentialism as I prefer to call it because I remember these terms from the second wave) is the biggest issue, but I am generally wary of single-issue campaigns and I will always personally put women's ability to control their fertility as a major feminist issue.

The fundamentalist Christian right is older, richer, more experienced in political organising and a fuck of a lot more powerful than we are. I do think we need to be very wary of who is in control here and of being used. It's also deeply, deeply patriarchal and misogynist.

Sorry cross posted.

Rgis kind of sniping does womem no good. I have immense sympathy for all who have suffered abuse of any kind.

Very sadly we have much that United unites us both good and bad.

I’ve said I found it offensive because of the abuse I suffered.
Would you be happy if I said I don’t care that you find the question sickening? Even if your reasons are because of your abuse?

So your comment is very much misrepresenting what was said!

Of course, it’s pretty common behaviour from Early. The person ignoring someone else’s abuse, was actually Early themselves.

Earlywalker

"Also responding to me saying of the abuse I’ve faced as a woman with ‘I don’t care’ is pretty rude actually. Something a man would say. I see you hun"

The "I don’t care" was clearly to your "I personally find that statement offensive."

There was no mention of the abuse you have suffered. So your comment is very much misrepresenting what was said!

this is the biggest issue facing woman

That’s what you found offensive, to which I replied: I don’t care. Nothing to do with any abuse you suffered.

God you’re unbelievable

One thing I'm not quite getting is how do people think that Posie being in the room belonging to the Heritage Foundation will be used as leverage?

Are there going to be lots of right-wing people saying see, even radical feminists think we're right about anti-abortion?

How's that going to work?

Early, my response was to your comment that you find anyone saying this was the biggest issue facing women as ‘offensive’. Don’t twist. You offered me no sympathy, you get none from me.

R0wantrees thank you so much. I’m amazed that the response from Early, supposedly so concerned about rape etc, offered no sympathy whatsoever or even acknowledgement 🤷🏾‍♀️ It’s not my only assault and it may not be the last- I’ve been flashed by an older boy in changing rooms when I was little so I’ve got a real fear of public spaces like that. It’s amazing some do not understand how the trans issue intersects every single other women’s rights issue. Well maybe not so hard to believe when you read their contributions...

Oxytocindeficient

Also responding to me saying of the abuse I’ve faced as a woman with ‘I don’t care’ is pretty rude actually. Something a man would say. I see you hun

oxy You do seem to talk to me a lot for someone that doesn’t care what I have to say

As a woman who has been gang raped, I’m sickened that question is even asked. I had, still have, many fears and immediately afterwards I wanted to be near NO MALES. I still do not want males in places where I’ll be vulnerable. I don’t list my fears in order ffs

Oxytocindeficient It is an appalling question to ask, to demand be answered. Shocking.

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The ‘pretending to be GC’ makes me laugh.
I’ve responded to many threads, sports/prisons/self ID I have always just posted a quick comment of support and listened.
If I don’t agree with something I’m entitled to state my opinion, even if it goes directly against what the majority of posters think.
I’m not scared to say what I think because you will all think I’m a TRA or whatever.