Posie Parker in the USA

Unlike some, I cannot see into anyone's soul so I have no idea whether Posie cares or not. Frankly I don't really care. Nor do I care whether she's a feminist, let alone a radical one. My concern is purely whether or not she has crossed a line between legitimate protest and personal intimidation.

So funky, what are women who ate not left leaning feminists supposed to do. Simply accept the taking away of our rights and the safeguarding of our children, because our lack of 'purity' meams we are worthless.

Women like you make me very angry indeed. What gives you the right to dictate.

I agree with you, Earlywalker. The whole thing has left a very nasty taste. The trans issue is frankly miniscule in the various threats and disadvantages that women face across the globe. It really is not the be all and end all compared to other horrific state policies such as Universal Credit or reproductive rights. But for Posie, it is the only issue and that is because Posie is not really a feminist and most definitely not a radical one.

PP didn't break any laws and didn't harm anyone, and the further context about the meeting she went into as detailed upthread is interesting.

It was pretty unpleasant, even if such behaviour is okay in the US.

Not all of us are on the Left - in fact, given voting demographics, there are probably more GC women who are Right-leaning.

Maybe that's true. It's not something I want any involvement in then though. It's not a huge surprise from the tone of some comments on here. I don't believe that what Posie Parker is fighting for will make the world a better place and it certainly won't for more marginalised groups of women.

in my opinion Posies crying video baffled me frankly. ‘Woman were in bits as their daughters had their boobs cut off and won’t speak to them anymore, that’s why I’m here’ was all she kept repeating.
I don’t think Posie cared about their daughters when she was calling for them to be sterilised.
Also when she talks about those ‘poor mothers’ she forgets to mention why people are outraged. Maybe mothers of daughters that the heritage foundation have harassed outside of abortion clinics after being raped, maybe poor mothers who the heritage foundation don’t think should have help to leave abusive husbands, perhaps lesbian mothers who the heritage foundation don’t want to be able to marry their partners, or maybe Hispanic mothers who were told by the heritage foundation that neither themselves, their children or grandchildren will ever have an IQ as high as a white person. Maybe mothers that know that they are talking about them and their children when they discuss ‘draining the swamp’

Trumps America has created a very scary time for American woman, their rights are being severely threatened and people like the heritage foundation are right there helping to take them away. in my opinion collaborating with these people, shows a disregard for the majority of woman, in order to ‘protect’ from a minority of men.

The harassment of the activist, whilst not as bad as what TRA have done, is again another step towards where all of this is eventually going to go if everyone keeps making excuses for it.

PP didn't break any laws and didn't harm anyone, and the further context about the meeting she went into as detailed upthread is interesting. Not all of us are on the Left - in fact, given voting demographics, there are probably more GC women who are Right-leaning. If we try to police the groups they associate with, they have the same right to criticise ours too. We can all only do what we each see fit.

The outrage on twitter is laughable. The same names I saw defend Tara Wolf for assaulting a 60 year old woman, saying nothing about constant violent threats from TRAs, ignoring masked protestors blocking meetings are suddenly disgusted, heartbroken, don't feel safe because 2 women dared to ask a few questions of an individual who is trying to fundamentally change the law. Harrop even tagged in the terrorism police. But I'm seeing people asking questions about this now so well done as far as I'm concerned.

Sarah McBride is a well paid political lobbyist currently engaged in a well-funded campaign to remove women's rights and medicalise children who lack the capacity for informed consent.

There is a difference between haranguing ordinary people at their place of work and heckling people who are well remunerated in their choice of entering a career in politics

Context matters.

This context is very important, so too the reasons that women be both angry and determined to raise such important issues.

Recent event:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Zh-j243Mg

these were very powerful & important speeches by the people on panel concerned for children and women.
Hopefully people will watch and react to the content.
(it 's difficult to imagine anyone who watches the event not being very concerned, angry, determined and admiring of all those who spoke)

Julia Beck
Writer, Producer at Women's Liberation Radio News, and Former Member of the Law and Policy Committee of Baltimore City's LGBTQ Commission

Jennifer Chavez
Lawyer and Board Member of the Women's Liberation Front

Kara Dansky
Board Member of the Women's Liberation Front

Hacsi Horvath
Adjunct Lecturer in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco and Formerly Identified as Transgender

Hosted by
Ryan T. Anderson Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow in American Principles and Public Policy

SandyDrawsBadly wrote
www.facebook.com/theposieparker/videos/2369584096494890/?notif_id=1548694852085872¬if_t=live_video

"This certainly puts things in context."

I've seen various postings on Facebook from Posie and on Twitter from Jane Clare Jones

Jane Clare Jones, Kathleen Stock, Rosa Freedman, Louise Moody and others have publicly condemned Posie's actions. And I know who I would rather support quite frankly. I don't care how many crying videos she does. Katie Hopkins did the same thing when going on her racist tour of Belgium and South Africa.

Hey vic

Ive decided to be the resident welcome committee

It'll probably only last a day as im easily bored so you may be the one and only person i welcome

Welcome!

R0wantrees do your puzzled-face all you like. I think the only people persuaded by that little intervention are those who hate trans people (and also hate lesbians and women too). Seeing this person as some sort of modern-day suffragette is ludicrous.

But then again, people on here consistently defend prejudice against trans people, including the blanket ban by Trump to exclude them from the military and instances of workplace and school bullying. So I can see why you would refuse to see any problems with what Posie has done or the damage that has been caused.

I'm a long-time lurker who's only just signed up. Thank you to everyone for clarifying this - I read one of the long threads, I've seen various postings on Facebook from Posie and on Twitter from Jane Clare Jones, and was getting frankly baffled about what the hell was happening. So it's been really helpful reading this thread.

A shower of shit to be honest. Has probably set the cause back about a million years. All any decent person can see is two angry women (Posie and Julie) harassing someone trying to get on with their work.

This isn't feminist. I don't know why Julia is pallying up with these people- they (and Posie included, from her statements) do not like lesbians and do not have our interests at heart

A shower of shit to be honest. Has probably set the cause back about a million years. All any decent person can see is two angry women (Posie and Julie) harassing someone trying to get on with their work.

This isn't feminist. I don't know why Julia is pallying up with these people- they (and Posie included, from her statements) do not like lesbians and do not have our interests at heart. But Julia, like Anne Ryzulo, is keen on saying that there is no such thing as transgender. It is clear that there is and that that group deserves rights, just as women do, but that any conflict between the two needs to be managed. If you don't agree with that, we are not on the same page. I do not hate trans people and I don't deny their feelings about their gender-dysphoria and the way that they live their lives. I want women to have single-sex spaces- that is my motivation. I do not want to make the lives of trans people difficult. I do not want the 'right' to tell trans women they have penises or to refuse to use their preferred pronouns. If that is your main aim, I suggest you look carefully at how feminist those motivations really are.

Basically Julia and Posie's stunt will likely have the effect of alienating loads of people from the cause who may otherwise have been sympathetic and plays straight into the hands of those who say that feminists have links with the right wing. I have not aired any views publicly, but no way in hell will I be doing it now.

I mean the left wing outrage.

The suffragettes used explosives. Posie used words. We commemorate the suffragettes and condemn Posie as "not helpful". She is a disruptor, it's needed right now. Like it or not.

McBride is National Press Secretary for Human Rights Campaign, the USA equivalent of UK's Stonewall. McBride does not work at the Senate building in Washington DC. McBride is not a senator or on any of the staff at the Senate. McBride was there for a political lobbying meeting advocating for the erasure of females' rights by way of lobbying to have sex removed from law and replaced with "gender identity" in the Proposed USA Equality Act. [This proposed law is now dubbed the "Female Erasure Act."]

The door to that room was open, signifying that privacy was not required by its occupants. There was no harassment; it was a fair challenge to someone who is energetically lobbying to remove all rights for females in USA.

Most discussion centres Posie Parker and there seems less reference to Dr Julia Long who has worked as both an academic and feminist activist for women and girls.

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London
(screenshot from article)
conatusnews.com/pride-london-lesbian-activism/

OP drradfem wrote:
"After the amazing protest at London Pride, please watch and share Julia Long's recent talk on lesbian erasure"

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOE1ZDHsDSQ&list=PLHE4J0EAEJOte5hYqBStokKbN1Ssnm5By&index=3

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3300978-julia-long-is-a-legend

See also Julia Lon'd speech at Manchester We Need To Talk About Women September 2018 (from 45:00):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3342195-Dr-Julia-Long-has-just-been-brilliant-on-LBC

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398430-Julia-Long-and-Venice-Allan-at-the-Pink-News-awards

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1306435-Challenging-porn-culture-conference

Oh, the TRAs are out in force. Someone rattled their collective cages.

Good.

Is it just me, or is Sarah McBride the Lobbyist smirking in that video?

And what if it had been a man presenting as a man that Julia and PP had interrupted and questioned? Would the 'outrage' be the same? Asking for a friend.

That is harrassment? Trying to get a political canvasser to engage with discussion on the subject they're canvassing about? Jeez, maybe it was a little impolite but I was expecting far worse from the billing. And over this mainstream GC advocates disown PP? What a stark contrast to trans campaigners (again). Who fail to condemn people uttering threats or wishes of actual bodily harm, wielding baseball bats, shouting, even assaulting women. Really shows up what a polite, careful campaign this is on the GC side if that is the worst example they can muster. Stark contrast as I say.

Juells "Harassment and abuse seems to have worked for the TRAs, with everyone afraid to offend them. But god forbid a woman should do the same thing, then it's considered to reflect on every other woman in the world who is GC."

You don't think there are transgender people out there getting tarred with same brush as the TRAs? Give over. And what next for GC women? Should we stock up on smokebombs and put in our orders for barbed-wire wrapped baseball bats because, hey, seems be working for the TRAs.

I can't get the video to play so I'm withholding judgement but thanks for the info that a) Sarah McBride is a lobbyist, and b) that this happened at the Senate building, not at McBride's place of work.

That had not been made clear to me at all.