Posie Parker in the USA

"I’m not sure I could have done what Julia and Posie did. But when they rushed over, I thought about the 19-year-old woman who stood behind me on Sunday at the library, where we’d earlier heard from Lierre Keith, Meghan Murphy, Kara Dansky, and Brie Jontry. This young woman came to tell a room full of strangers that she had started transition about five years ago, had been on testosterone and already had a double mastectomy, only to realize that she was a lesbian, and a woman, and to wish someone had told her when she was younger that that was okay.

I watched the We Need To Talk meeting and the young woman's speech at the end referred to was so powerful and moving.

Does anyone have a link to video of the event?
Its really important that her voice is heard.

Thank you for sharing that Embracing.

The rest of it can wait until I am assured my child won’t grow up in a world where women’s rights are non existent

I’m sure all parents feel this. Which is why organisations such as the heritage foundation should be a movement that feminists are fighting against to protect our daughters rights, not rubbing shoulders with.

When young girls are getting their breast cut off and young guys are getting their penises cut off on live tv.
It should be concerning for all of us not just ppl that we like

I’ll say it again; this isn’t the time to be nitpicking about personal politics or belief systems it is the time for women to work together to support the very definition of who we are. The rest of it can wait until I am assured my child won’t grow up in a world where women’s rights are non existent.

Quite

I see you too lang

Woman’s rights movement?

Everyone needs to read
EmbracingTheMadness link
womensliberationfront.org/posie-parker-in-the-house/

POSIE PARKER IN THE HOUSE
WOLF
FEBRUARY 1, 2019
'A report back to members, from Capitol Hill'
(extract)
"I wasn’t sure what we were getting into when we heard a few weeks ago that Posie Parker and Venice Allan and Julia Long wanted to come to the US to protest Twitter for acting like misogynist jerks. At the least, it sounded like it would be interesting. We offered to help put them in touch with decision makers here, so that people in the US could hear how bad it is living in a country with no First Amendment protections and self-identification of sex treated like a civil right.

On the last three days of their visit, these women spent hours lobbying on the Hill – going from office to office with myself or fellow WoLF board member, Kara Dansky, attending briefings, and presenting feminist arguments against ‘gender identity’ ideology to any Democrats or Republicans who would listen.

Earlier in the process of planning our activities, I’d thought they might be tired the last day of their trip, and suggested that we could go to a Smithsonian museum or something similar if they wanted to build in some rest. No, they wanted to work that day, talk to anyone who would meet with them. Posie said that she felt she had a duty to make every day of the trip count on behalf of the people who had supported her coming. I therefore set up a full day of meetings Wednesday with House and Senate offices who were willing to speak to us. Venice went around to canvass offices where we didn’t have appointments, while Posie and Julia came with us to every meeting." (continues)

"It is difficult and tiring to tell your story to half a dozen strangers a day — even when they are warm and hospitable, which they all were — and not everyone is willing or able to do this, for a variety of reasons. They didn’t complain once, they were wonderful company. We were listened to for roughly half an hour to 45 minutes every time, incredible generosity from busy people, in no small part because Posie and Julia are captivating speakers who connect with the people they’re talking to.

Outside the office of our first meeting for the morning was a large group of people with a film crew, and people being interviewed in turn. We realized when we got close that it was a delegation from the Human Rights Campaign (HRC,) at whose offices we’d been protesting this past Saturday. (The president of HRC makes close to half a million dollars a year in salary to ostensibly represent women like myself, and I can’t say I’m impressed.) I recognized Sarah McBride in the group, the National Press Secretary at HRC, from their speech at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.

McBride has a very moving life story, and has suffered terrible losses. This is inarguable, and we are sorry for those tragedies. We would be for any person.

McBride is also a public political figure, who was there that morning representing HRC in an official capacity at the Cannon House Office Building, encouraging Congress to support the sterilization of minor children in the guise of a human rights agenda of “acceptance” and “inclusion.” McBride was there that morning to argue that girls in school have no right to bodily privacy when changing for gym class or when first managing menstruation in what should be girls-only bathrooms. McBride was there to argue for an end to girls’ sports, because they want boys to be able to join the girls’ sports teams. McBride was there to overturn decades of women’s rights advocacy, at the head of a movement that has brutally silenced women who dissent.

McBride came to Cannon HOB as a public representative of an organization that claims to represent the human rights of all lesbian and bisexual women, including myself and Julia Long. Yet when Posie and Julia decided to see if McBride would answer their questions, this salaried advocate for the LGBTQ could not even turn around to make a single expression of sympathy to a lesbian woman who clearly felt hurt and betrayed by HRC’s policies, not even to issue a fig leaf of sorry-you-feel-that-way concern. If McBride was truly in too fragile a state to be questioned in public by quite small women then maybe they’re in the wrong line of work

I’m not sure I could have done what Julia and Posie did. But when they rushed over, I thought about the 19-year-old woman who stood behind me on Sunday at the library, where we’d earlier heard from Lierre Keith, Meghan Murphy, Kara Dansky, and Brie Jontry. This young woman came to tell a room full of strangers that she had started transition about five years ago, had been on testosterone and already had a double mastectomy, only to realize that she was a lesbian, and a woman, and to wish someone had told her when she was younger that that was okay. " (continues)

Read it
Excellent

Bullshit bullshit it's all bullshit. I'm glad they did it. Is there some law of the universe, floating around in the ether, that says women have to be nice at all times?

Funkyfunkybeat12
Here is Posie with the ‘fabulous’ Emily Zinos, ardent anti-abortionist. So clearly as Emily is fabulous, reproductive rights is something that Posie is clearly willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

Women are entitled to be anti-abortionist if they want to, and many are for reasons that have nothing to do with control, and everything to do with compassion. Who are you to say that nobody should talk to women who think differently to you?

BlackShutters "I'm American and I've been watching FWR for a couple of years now. Am remembering correctly? Didn't the tide start to turn once a few right wing journalists started commenting?"

I think you are right and also one point of spreading the word about what the new approach to transgender issues is doing for young females (especially) is simply to talk about it.

If we only talk to people we know and like our influence will be tiny!

Why is it always that if you have a different viewpoint that it leads to accusations of telling people what to do and dictating? You’re doing the same back to me.

womensliberationfront.org/posie-parker-in-the-house/

Everyone needs to read

HOW have I misrepresented Julia’s speech? I mentioned some things she said in that speech. I did not make comments about the overall contents of it. Are you saying she did not say these things?

and this from lang

While some of us run around with our knickers in a twist at the absolute horror of right wing women thinking it's okay to fight for their rights in democratic countries, rather than surrendering their views on women's rights to whatever left wing women say they are...

... can we please remember that fundamentalist genderism is a hyper capitalist, ultra libertarian right wing ideology? ultra right wing

Not the fault of either left wing or right women that the leaders of the current iteration of the left is thick as mince and can't recognise a right wing ideology privileging members of extant power groups when it sees one.

Unsure why some commenters here think it's heresy to criticise a regressive, authoritarian left and not feel bound to comply to it from either a leftist or a rightist perspective.

Right wing women, left wing women, nice women and nasty women are all entitled to fight to keep the word woman as meaning an adult human female, excluding males. Doesn't matter what comes next, fundamental truths need fighting for.

and I'm not interested in any drama any one wants to manufacture around this

I'm saving my energy for living my real life while trying to fight the current attack on women's safety, privacy and dignity

This ^^

There are people who will gain from 'pouring petrol' and encouraging divisions.

Some people also benefit when women's energies are used up.

We all have choices whether or not to be drawn in.

The point is that ‘is it right to be teaming up with anti-woman protestors because they share the same views on trans people, albeit nost likely with different reasons behind their view?’

Where would the line be drawn? Or is there no line? As long as they don’t want ‘trans rights’ for whatever reason, theyre on our side?

Earlywalker That you want this to be the focus is clear.
Women are not required to answer to your demands.

I have no idea why anyone would need to condemn it. I have not read any tweets from JB or anyone so cant speak to that. But oh boo hoo, some women were mildly confrontational in a political environment. Aaaaaaand?

this. I think what Posie and Julia did was fantastic

and I'm not interested in any drama any one wants to manufacture around this

I'm saving my energy for living my real life while trying to fight the current attack on women's safety, privacy and dignity

ufus i have been here a while and there has been a definite change in tone. You might want to pretend that’s not the case and justify

I think youll also see i was talking about the whole of mumsnet

Not FWR specifically

Yes, the Karen White case was horrific, but Universal Credit encourages women to stay in abusive relationships, or in extreme cases forces them into prostitution

The housing of a male in female prison estate with a long history of predatory violent and sexual offences against women and children is not just 'horrific'.

Vulnerable female prisoners were sexually assaulted. Vulnerable female prisoners were locked in by the state with this dangerous male, forced to share showers etc.

White is not alone in being a dangerous male housed in the female prison estate as a consequence of lobbying the Ministry of Justice by trans rights activists.

Vulnerable female prisoners safety, dignity and privacy has been compromised.

They are at risk.

See Anne Ruzylo's speech at We Need To Talk About Women Manchester 2018 (from 28:00):

None of this precludes identifying the serious risks to vulnerable women of Universal credit and those males who perpetrate the prositution of women.
The State is failing to protect vulnerable women and children.
Some males are exploiting this.

PP and JL said the same things, asked the same questions, that GC women do every day online. Are we just not supposed to say it in public where we might actually get heard?

The ultimate aim in all of this is to protect woman’s rights, so why is teaming up with people who want to strip those rights away anyway, being condoned?

Oh do give it up, Early.

Stop trying to control women and what they can or can't think. Stop trying to conflate a pluralist perspective with slavish devotion to every word and deed.

WE. SEE. YOU.

I have finally managed to catch up and see the video of PP and JL thanks to the link in a thread, and honestly I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the hoohaa.

PP and JL interrupted a lobbyist in a public place and asked them some (important and valid) questions. They were ignored and wanted to get a response. No more than is done by a group of news reporters trying to get a quote, and this was done genuinely because they want to talk about the issues. Mildly rude if about something trivial but not for serious political stuff. It was a couple of minutes of mildly provoking and on-topic questions about a valid political issue. Nothing more.

I've been in more confrontational situations about car parking.

I've also spoken up in so many tough situations and didn't think I was particularly unusual, but by this reaction maybe I am. If I wasn't in an insecure situation with an ill dependent I would be speaking up too, and I will and do if I come across this directly. Soooo many would hate me it seems!!! I'm a true uppity woman!!! But for gods sake, get a grip people. When did everything become so sanitised and controlled? The condemnation of PP is straight out of the Handmaids' Tale. No wonder the world is so ripe for an ideological take-over.

Women (and humans) speaking up has to look like this. This is grass roots activism. Not sitting back and waiting your turn (that will never come), making an appointment, or being uber-polite or meek. It was a moment to seize about something truly and hugely important. A more respectful opponent would recognise that this stuff matters and respond differently. But the trans juggernaut does not respond with respect or debate does it. It has the privilege of going largely unchallenged and bloody well mowing women down. Hence the need to engage directly.

Its just normal when stuff matters. In politics surely this is bread and butter.

I have no idea why anyone would need to condemn it. I have not read any tweets from JB or anyone so cant speak to that. But oh boo hoo, some women were mildly confrontational in a political environment. Aaaaaaand?

Regardless of the ins and outs of what Posie Parker has or hasn't done, the idea that 'right wing' women on Mumsnet have nothing to contribute to conversations about women's rights is astounding.

Very, very, very telling, some people's sudden preoccupations, isn't it?

It’s not about ‘dividing woman’ not everything is about tearing you down. People condoning posies actions are doing that without any ‘outside help’ from what I can see.
It’s debate and discussion.
I understand perfectly well that the meeting in the USA was r.e trans issues and nothing to do with the anti-woman agenda that the people they met have.
The point is that ‘is it right to be teaming up with anti-woman protestors because they share the same views on trans people, albeit nost likely with different reasons behind their view?’

Where would the line be drawn? Or is there no line? As long as they don’t want ‘trans rights’ for whatever reason, theyre on our side?

The ultimate aim in all of this is to protect woman’s rights, so why is teaming up with people who want to strip those rights away anyway, being condoned?

That is what I want to know, and so far a lot of people do seem to be pussyfooting around the point and instead stating that the questions being asked to ‘divide woman’, no the question is being asked because this is a discussion.