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Agent Provocateur window displays in House of Fraser

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Fairyflaps · 31/01/2019 07:12

These 2 images are among several massive photos filling the window displays at our local House of Fraser store promoting Agent Provocateur. The windows face onto the towns main pedestrianised shopping street, so there is no avoiding them if you go into town.

Am I right in thinking these are not appropriate images for such a public space? Within the lingerie department in the store maybe, but not on the High Street.

Going into the store and talking to the manager has not been successful. She just said that decisions on window displays was made by their head office, and I would have to take it up with them. Their website says it may take several days for them to respond to an email, and I have not been able to find a phone number for their head office.

What do you think?
And any suggestions of how I can complain more effectively?

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BlackForestCake · 09/04/2019 23:56

I am chuckling at the idea that thes items are not practical and don't look comfortable though, as if anyone would buy these items for practicality and comfort smile

You would never get men buying uncomfortable undercrackers, no matter how keen they were to impress a women.

AncientLights · 09/04/2019 21:58

Karma then.

ChattyLion · 09/04/2019 21:53

Oh dear... just saw in the news that Mike Ashley might be losing rather a lot of money on his Debenhams investment.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

MargueritaPink · 08/02/2019 13:26

I wouldn't assume it is a man. There is a vile AP video ad where all the creative input was by woman.

Datun · 08/02/2019 00:01

I agree. So what on earth kind of person does he think wants to buy stuff that is advertised like this?

MargueritaPink · 07/02/2019 23:53

Ok Datun. I agree about posing them as a victim. That is what I meant about the backgrounds being odd.

You can't see much of the background but the first looks like the sort of really cheap hotel where you don't dare walk around barefoot- the area of floor has a horrible grubby carpet look about it. And the other looks like an interrogation room. Neither look like rooms one would willingly spend time in.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 07/02/2019 23:51

The ugliness of the photos is, I suspect, a deliberate nod to 70s Polaroid porn - the models are coldly lit and the environment sparse and a bit tatty, like a cheap motel room.

Thesuzle · 07/02/2019 23:46

Stinging email sent. I’m so very tired off this firefighting .....

Datun · 07/02/2019 23:39

It's the way she looks to me Marguerita. Particularly in the reflection. All adding to the victim look that this chap seems to favour.

MargueritaPink · 07/02/2019 23:39

I agree they're ugly. But there's more to it than that, for me. They look like they are deliberately posing the women as victims.
Particularly the second one

The backgrounds are weird too. The first one looks like a cheap motel and the second one looks like an interrogation room.

MargueritaPink · 07/02/2019 23:35

not getting his models to look like an anorexic Doug McLure examining a blackhead

Why does anyone who is thin get declared to be anorexic? My weight hovered around 7stone (often dipping below) until I was 30- with no effort required on my part. I was certainly not anorexic. In my underwear I looked like her.

You are right about the blackhead.

Datun · 07/02/2019 23:35

I agree they're ugly. But there's more to it than that, for me. They look like they are deliberately posing the women as victims.

Particularly the second one.

The underwear looking a bit grubby and ill fitting has something to do with it too.

MargueritaPink · 07/02/2019 23:26

they are pics of a beautiful lady in underwear.. what is everyone’s problem?

As photographs they are terrible. They are badly lit and badly staged- particularly the first one. Her body pose is awful. She looks as if she has stomach cramps or as if she peering into the mirror trying to get the best light and angle to squeeze a spot. The other one just looks like a badly tied parcel.

Tbh I'm not that bothered about the sexuality- they are such weird , unflattering, unsexy photos. It takes a perverse talent to take a beautiful women (and for any one who shrieked "she's too thin" - she isn't. Anyone saying that is probably just fat) put her in underwear and come up with photographs that ugly.

Datun · 07/02/2019 18:43

I note that the owner of the lingerie line is the owner of the shop? And a misogynistic bellend?

What he might want to take a gander at is not getting his models to look like an anorexic Doug McLure examining a blackhead and a violent, rape porn addicted man's fantasy of a trussed up woman.

Although given my previous description of him...

GlitterStick · 07/02/2019 18:15

I agree with everyone's other objections, but what struck me about the first pic is that she is positioning her bottom in such a way that there is an implication that she is inviting anal sex. I may be being ridiculous on this, would be interested to hear what others think,

OMG, thoughts? OK. Just shows how we all intepret things differently, I automatically think she needs just to let out a pump and you straight away think she's positioning for a bit of botty action Grin
That honestly never even crossed my mind, maybe my mind's not in the gutter enough lol

GlitterStick · 07/02/2019 18:09

The first one looks like she's squeezing out a stubborn fart

that was my first thought too Grin
As in what's that first photo all about, looks like she needs to be sat on the bog lol

flashbac · 07/02/2019 17:58

@Nmillard
Biscuit

Nmillard · 07/02/2019 17:53

Seriously !!??? I am on older mum with two children... they are pics of a beautiful lady in underwear.. what is everyone’s problem? We do not live centuries ago when breast feeding in public was an issue! Why should anyone find these offensive. Wake up ! Anyone who finds women in underwear offensive should have a big look in a mirror and see who has the issue.. maybe it is them and not the pictures

PotteryGirl · 07/02/2019 10:05

I thought AP were independent and high end ...I had no idea. Mike Ashley and AP...that's an image I can't un-see....😳

Calvinsmam · 07/02/2019 09:59

HoF and AP won’t stop doing it if it’s just ignored will they?

Yes. They will. That’s the only way they’ll stop doing it.

They won’t stop doing it if it’s generating free press for them in ‘middle aged women don’t like sexy window display here’s some pictures of said window display’ articles.

Marylou2 · 07/02/2019 09:13

Glad it’s not just me . I got an email from HOF with that black one on it. I was😮. Certainly not what I expected. Can’t believe they’d put it in a high street window.

Melroses · 07/02/2019 09:10

That explains a lot then. I expect AP’s ‘upmarket’ image is sliding downwards.
They have had their day.

ChattyLion · 07/02/2019 07:41

Ohh I only just realised that Mike Ashley* owns both: Agent Provocateur AND he owns House of Fraser. Ugh. So we can expect more of the same..
btw nothing wrong with complaining about it.
HoF and AP won’t stop doing it if it’s just ignored will they?
And there are advertising rules against exposing kids to sexualised advertising.

(*Mike Ashley and his ownership of Agent Provocateur is surely a mental image that will kill off the libido of anyone though... so i’m going to predict AP’s days are numbered even if they are on the high street- so the more publicity about this link the better I say Grin)

Calvinsmam · 06/02/2019 23:41

God he’s such a dick.

I’m from the north east and though I don’t support Newcastle, I’ll never forgive him for renaming st James park.

Annasgirl · 06/02/2019 22:49

Just read that parents have complained about this display in Dublin. They said it was pornographic. So he managed to get publicity after all!