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So it’s happened...

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Beerincomechampagnetastes · 29/01/2019 18:54

I knew it would and I’ve been dreading how I would deal with it.
My dd has been joined in her female boarding house by a young man called George.
George up until last term was a female.
I’m concerned for George and the pupils are all lovely and he’s getting a lot of support.
But I’m confused as to why he’s in the female boarding house?
Is this normal practice for schools?

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Horsewithnoman · 30/01/2019 09:47

It seems obvious to me that George is not sleeping with the boys because if George got pregnant there would be a massive scandal. They could maybe cover sexual misconduct but a pregnancy? Not so easy.

Similarly if one of the boys transitioned, that child would stay in with the other boys rather than risk the chance (again) of a scandal bringing the school into disrepute.

That's the real reason surely; the given reason in my opinion is an outright lie.

CandleConcerto · 30/01/2019 09:44

Yeah fair point.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/01/2019 09:40

they are identifying out of a sexist, pornified, patriarchal world the only way they know how so if you can’t beat them, join them? No way!!

CandleConcerto · 30/01/2019 09:29

I guess it’s a question of when kindness becomes unreasonable.

Kids generally tell peers they’re pretty/ not fat etc to affirm the identity that that person wants to have. I’m kind of okay with the pronoun stuff etc as long as George is physically still understood to be a girl. But then, where do you draw the line?

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 30/01/2019 09:25

Yes iused

I agree with everything you’ve said.

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Iused2BanOptimist · 30/01/2019 09:23

DD's best friend at an all girls private school now has a classmate identifying as a boy.
DD "what I can't understand is if she wants to be a boy why doesn't she want to go to a boys school?"
I think that is the nub for many of these girls - I believe they are identifying out of a sexist, pornified, patriarchal world the only way they know how and who can blame them? But they still feel more secure among their girl peers.
I think it is right for schools to adopt a soft touch hope it's a phase approach and keep them safe, supported and protected. As long as they don't go along with it too enthusiastically as I'm sure some probably do, and push the agender.
You can keep your DD safe by making sure she understands biology, humans can't change sex, George probably has emotional/mental health problems - be kind but don't forget the truth type of approach.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/01/2019 09:18

But George cannot live with the boys because George isn't one. What a message to send. But we all know George is safer with the girls and know why that is, because George is female. It's a mind fuck sure enough. Poor kid

And if it had been the other way, George becoming Georgina, I suspect that Georgina would also be bunked with the girls, because you know, safety dick privilege and all that.

Carowiththegoodhair · 30/01/2019 09:14

It is your business if your daughter is being forced to lie and accept something she knows isn’t true.

That’s emotionally abusive. Children must feel free to question everything and form their own views.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 30/01/2019 09:11

I agree break none of my business really.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/01/2019 09:10

No need for you to do anything at all

Except to counter any mindless, genderist or patriarchal shit that might affect the OP's daughter and her friends and their own attitudes to being embodied as female.

LinoleumBlownapart · 30/01/2019 09:10

I feel like it’s such a mind fuck for everyone. Not for everyone but that's a serious mind fuck for George. George can be told that it's ok to be male, can identify as male, change his name and his pronouns and his clothes. But George cannot live with the boys because George isn't one. What a message to send. But we all know George is safer with the girls and know why that is, because George is female. It's a mind fuck sure enough. Poor kid.

BreakYourselfAgainstMyStones · 30/01/2019 09:08

George's situation really isn't about you and your feelings.

No need for you to do anything at all.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/01/2019 09:07

We all agree that the school is doing the right thing. What the OP doesn't want is George influencing her daughter and the other girls into transitioning too. That's how eating disorders spread

Not only that. For me, it is also about gender and what it might teach the girls about stereotypes or the perceived limitations of being female, particularly if 'George', 'George's' supporters and parents are playing the 'George has always been a boy because he likes manly things - you know like football, status, privilege, etc. and doesn't want to be a weak, pink sparkly girl' card - and I've seen plenty on this, as well as transmen demanding that girls/women treat them with the same kind of reverence they are expected to treat boys/men with. FTS.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 30/01/2019 09:03

I’m actually very concerned about George.

My niece experienced a very difficult childhood and identified as a male for a period of time. As she’s grown and developed into a young woman she found her tribe, and now happily identifies as a ‘butch lesbian’.
My nieces lovely body is all intact and she was never given hormones etc and as a result can go on and have children if she chooses and be healthy and live a fulfilled life.
I’m very worried for our young people and the advice they receive and the irreparable damage they may do to there bodies as a result.

I feel complicit in George’s inner turmoil and it’s making me feel angry

I think this ^^ is probably why I made the thread. I just don’t know what to do about how it makes me feel.

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Carowiththegoodhair · 30/01/2019 09:00

George is where they should be. Nonetheless the rest of these children are being coerced into accepting something which they know is not true.

The days of formal strict harsh religious indoctrination have long since passed yet Sister Agatha and her arbitrary ruler have been replaced with something with the ability to inflict even crueler long term damage.

TimeLady · 30/01/2019 09:00

With regard to pronouns, I'd be encouraging your daughter to use 'they' towards everyone.Wink

TimeLady · 30/01/2019 08:57

Weetabix

We all agree that the school is doing the right thing. What the OP doesn't want is George influencing her daughter and the other girls into transitioning too. That's how eating disorders spread.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/01/2019 08:55

And ‘condemnation’ is with regards to everyone having to pussy foot about and say ‘he/his/him’ and pretend that this child is a boy. Which they are not.

CandleConcerto · 30/01/2019 08:55

No we have an issue with male violence.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 30/01/2019 08:55

..I’m very pleased George is where he is.

Should read

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Beerincomechampagnetastes · 30/01/2019 08:54

There’s no condemnation weet the school is doing a good job and I’m very pleased. George is where he is, we’re just discussing the situation.

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TimeLady · 30/01/2019 08:54

The quickest way to nip any social contagion amongst the girls would be to insist that George used the male changing room and showers after rugby games.

However...that would mean allowing boys to abuse the system, as the school would have to allow males into female spaces too. It's quite a dilemma.

Weetabixandshreddies · 30/01/2019 08:51

I don't understand why there is condemnation for this school? They are doing exactly what you want surely - segregating by sex. Yet even when they are doing what you want they are wrong??

If it were a boy who was transing you would all demand that they be kept in the boy's house, that the boys should move over to accommodate them right? So this is a girl who is transing. The school are keeping them with the girls. They are doing exactly what you are all demanding.

Why all this comment then? It seems to me that you have more of an issue with trans men and women than just the protection of women's safe spaces (which the school are maintaining).

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 30/01/2019 08:51

I feel complicit in George’s inner turmoil and it’s making me feel very angry.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/01/2019 08:49

Teaching girls to lie and that above all the male persona is more inprotant than truth. It is dishonest.

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