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Guilty of sexual assault of a 6 year old girl - but no consequences

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feministfairy · 29/01/2019 07:57

Do the rights and safety of little girls in Scotland matter so little to the judiciary? This defies belief:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/student-guilty-of-sex-assault-on-girl-6-will-not-be-punished-rpzdx6bmv?shareToken=a5f3f8d4d214df63fa3b4d0f4323ea4c

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C8H10N4O2 · 31/01/2019 12:47

Does anyone have a sharetoken or review of the full version of this article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/curiosity-caused-christopher-daniels-abuse-of-girl-6-sheriffs-ruling-reveals-m0tfw5qbt

The overview is:

"A student who repeatedly abused a six-year-old girl acted out of “inappropriate curiosity” and not sexual gratification, a sheriff’s ruling has revealed."

Two solid years of "inappropriate curiosity". But he didn't enjoy it so that's ok.

Sets a ridiculous bar for conviction if "enjoying it" has to be proved in sexual offences.

User1357942 · 31/01/2019 11:55

The General Dental Council have no power over student Dentists. Only when they qualify and apply to the register.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 30/01/2019 22:16

Isn't there something in court process/law about justice not just being done but having to be seen to be done?

Gingerkittykat · 30/01/2019 17:20

I wonder if the dental school will take any action against him, surely working with potentially vulnerable patients goes completely against their practices?

feministfairy · 30/01/2019 10:08

Interestingly the Times have removed the comments under the article. I saw nothing untoward and the case is now completed so they are evidently under some pressure. The paper does have an excellent reputation for challenging alleged miscarriages of justice and inappropriate secrecy by the courts so hopefully the journalists will be challenging this?

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MargueritaPink · 30/01/2019 09:12

Christopher Daniel who was found guilty by a jury, but that needs to be kept secret?

The reports do not mention a jury. Cases only have a jury if processed under solemn procedure. Many Scottish criminal cases which would have a jury in England are processed under summary procedure without a jury. I can't tell definitely here which was used.

feministfairy · 30/01/2019 07:35

Here's a share token for the Times article mentioned:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secret-report-on-unpunished-sex-criminal-may-damage-faith-in-law-xpcsns8hs?shareToken=db19f7768b4f8da9e9d46bdc5e0bbf76

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Bowlofbabelfish · 30/01/2019 07:19

I would like Gerald Sinclair to publicly explain his decision in order to clarify why he thinks this is the correct course of action.

Without this, the family are not given justice, public perception of the justice system is damaged, and people will be wondering if there are more sinister connections at play. This is not good for the perception of justice.

pomobrokemypogo · 30/01/2019 03:47

This is terrible. WTF is going on in Scotland? . What on earth is so 'wholly exceptional' as to justify an absolute discharge for Christopher Daniel who was found guilty by a jury, but that needs to be kept secret?

The sharetoken for The Times has run out so I can't read the report and the DM one is fairly brief.

This has to make the news more widely. Has anyone been able to post this on AIBU? I can only see it reported on The Times which is behind a paywall, and the DM which has its issues.

The Times also have this www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secret-report-on-unpunished-sex-criminal-may-damage-faith-in-law-xpcsns8hs but again paywall.

adultFemaleElf · 29/01/2019 23:07

Is there a petition for justice in this case?

OlennasWimple · 29/01/2019 22:58

If there were some very particular extenuating circumstances that preclude a prison sentence, I would have thought that a suspended sentence would have been more appropriate.

So he wouldn't serve time (in recognition of the situation he was in) but if he committed a further crime then the suspended sentence could come into play

DangermousesSidekick · 29/01/2019 22:22

Sonic, Marguerita, there would have to be some kind of legal fund available for them. Justice is basically for sale in Britain, or at least in England. Usually it goes to the highest bidder. I wonder what money was involved here?

Gingerkittykat · 29/01/2019 22:16

I wonder if it was because he was aged between 15 and 17 at the time of the abuse and perhaps part of a larger abuse ring where he was forced to carry out those acts. It's the only explanation I can think of.

Even if it is true the little girl deserves justice.

MargueritaPink · 29/01/2019 22:16

A person under 18 is liable for their own negligence and acts and can be sued. A parent has a duty to take reasonable care to see that their child does not cause harm to others.

The parents would not be liable to pay the damages unless the action was raised against them as well but an outstanding decree against him will show up on a credit report. For any one looking to enter a profession that will impact on borrowing for work, mortgage even getting a mobile phone contract.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/01/2019 21:54

Out of interest Margarita, can you pursue a civil claim against someone who is under 18? Or if they are now an adult, but committed the tort when they were under 18, can you then?

If yes... And you win the civil case and are awarded, say, 100k, and the teenager doesn't have any money or assets, does the parent have to pay?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/01/2019 21:51

The girl could raise a civil action for damages.

I think this is what all women and girls are going to have to start doing.

MargueritaPink · 29/01/2019 21:07

The girl could raise a civil action for damages.

MargueritaPink · 29/01/2019 20:54

@LassWiTheDelicateAir I changed my name as someone else was using "Lass".

I know only the basics of criminal law. I don't understand this, nor how the Crown can say there is no basis for an appeal.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/01/2019 20:40

Holy shit. A former police chief tells you that a coach fits the profile of a sexual predator and you do nothing? What the fuck?

At least it's not just females they ignore Hmm Although it sounds like it was all girls who were the victims of his years of bullying and predatory behaviour, so why bother doing anything?

Italiangreyhound · 29/01/2019 20:20

I wonder if it is worth wrotog to this charity about the Scottish case?
www.children1st.org.uk

WokerThanWoke · 29/01/2019 20:12

Holy shit. A former police chief tells you that a coach fits the profile of a sexual predator and you do nothing? What the fuck?

feministfairy · 29/01/2019 18:47

Here's the Guardian article about the Wrexham Tennis scandal. Not 20 or 30 years old but current with concerns being raised since 2012. Lawn Tennis Association officials repeatedly ignored serious concerns raised by parents (including one who was a senior police officer) and as a result Daniel Sanders was able to go on and sexually abuse an underage girl.

www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/nov/23/lta-child-protection-failings-coach-abuse

Evidently safeguarding girls was of limited interest / importance to the LTA.

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WokerThanWoke · 29/01/2019 18:43

This is so chilling. How can they protect a career he doesn’t even have yet? Who says he was even going to pass his exams?

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