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Courting the far right is wrong.... part two

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 27/01/2019 15:50

Previously:
Posie is bad, bad and bad.
Sodastream's are under whelming
We need to be nice for the bigger boys to like us.
Camp Coffee is revolting
Evidence is never presented for why our leader and saviour is bad.
Mr frosty is crap, all agree
TimeLady's mum made a camp Coffee cake back in the day.
Also a coffee kisses recipe is found.
The alt-right are mentioned a lot.
Paul McCartney gets a mention
So does Terry Pratchett's discworld.
Mr Fruity is remembered and discussed.
Nazi's were mention by early.
We were told we "need a common enemy"
(Why we need this is presently unknown.)

And now the exciting conclusion....

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 21:43

Oxytocindeficient

I'll have a look - appreciate the link - tbh every time I delve into it I get overwhelmed with all the information. I've got to have some test for T3/T4 again when I get round to it, so will go into it again as I am convinced it is at the base of adrenal issues as well. I see on that site you referred to that it references that. I am so hacked off at being sectionalised healthwise and looked at as being a bit of this and a bit of that rather than as a whole. Passed between so-called specialists but they don't have the data nor analyse what they have nor differentiate the sexes (I have big hopes for the big data approach to ME/CFS but am curious whether they actually have the base data for women).

Women's bodies are so different from men's and deserve to be treated as a different discipline altogether. I also think it's related to bullying in context - whether, at a societal or closer level. Women tend to show emotional distress in their bodies ...

WrathofRancidKlopp · 27/01/2019 21:42

So here is my lexicon compilation of just one word so far.
I thought I'd give it another mention.

Swhittle verb
To swhit·tle | \ ˈhwi-tᵊl, ˈwi-

swhittled; swhittling
Refers to legal or official documents.

Swhittle.
To intentionally replace a word in a document with a word of a different meaning in the hope that no one notices.

lisamuggeridge · 27/01/2019 21:40

Any man calling himself a mother is telling you a million things you should take at face value about how he views the world. His opinion on motherhood is valueless on that basis.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/01/2019 21:39

alexa

The assaults at cologne

And the reporting thereof

Or lack I suppose

Up til then i was probably under the impression that the left media cared about people, then i realised that in this case at least, people didn't include women

lisamuggeridge · 27/01/2019 21:38

When we have the kind of equality that means feminism can be an ideological and theoretical pursuit, I might be with you, but women are fucked over for being women and women being made unspeakable harms all women, and democracy means that includes women who just wont even think the way you do. You cant appoit yourself the gateway to whether those women discuss that. I genuinely do not understand wht that is hard to grasp. Appointing yourself moral arbiter of who is allowed to discuss the way they are fucked over is bonkers. That means women you stand againts on everthing else, women you have a material problem with, whose entire political view is that the things you fight for shouldnt exist, they still dont have to ask you to stand up. Its about power and the power to have what women say and do controlled by a central point is not new, its nevr women who benefit from that and witchburning. Ever.

littlbrowndog · 27/01/2019 21:36

Men can’t be mums. Ffs
That would be biazzare

WrathofRancidKlopp · 27/01/2019 21:35

CaptainKirksSpookyghost
And it sounded so trendy didn't it?

TinselAngel · 27/01/2019 21:34

Every time I read it, the idea a man can claim to be a mother makes me furious.

If my ex ever tries it, I worry about what I'd do.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 27/01/2019 21:32

I think I remember, it was "mother" being changed to "parent" or something very similar.

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FloralBunting · 27/01/2019 21:30

How so floral? At an abortion you are rightly spoken to without a partner/anyone present beforehand?

I seem to recall the conversation referenced attempts to use other terminology which would open up the possibility of legal challenge by what we would call fathers over the fate of their offspring. It was a consequence pointed out during the discussions the Irish politicians had about the wording of the legislation. I'm afraid you'll have to forgive me not searching up the precise details because I've been on my feet at work for 9+ hours and I ain't got nuthin left.

WrathofRancidKlopp · 27/01/2019 21:28

userschmoozer
Laws depend on accurate language
Its no good saying 'we all know who the mothers are.
This is an important point.

There seems to be many new words appearing that have clearly been decided by people who have more power and influence than they ought.
Terfs, cervix havers, Womxn etc.

It reminds me of the eskimos having many more words for snow.

And we don't notice the old words slipping away.

No debate = nothing to see here.

RepealTheGRA · 27/01/2019 21:25

You think I’m throwing vulnerable women under a bus? In a choice between no women having rights and some women having rights I’m going with some women having rights so there’s someone left to fight for them.

The Tories don’t get elected because labour voters vote for them, they get elected because labour voters stay at home.

And whether you agree with what I’m saying or not, I’m stating facts about how people will vote and they’re unlikely to be swayed by some sanctimonious random thinking they’re ‘bad’ on an Internet forum.

lisamuggeridge · 27/01/2019 21:21

When men are trying to colonise the term mother and mae it unspeakable you can clearly say what is happening htere is misogyny. When men declare they will only be placated by women throwing other women to be abused, thats misogyny. The targeting of this board...misogyny...and the one group who can and are legally required to spot that shit are mothers...invisible we may be but everyone rmeembers to make us the legal bottom line...and we are important enough to be subect to this shite for even speaking...

Earlywalker · 27/01/2019 21:19

Literally that was the point I had made, that woman were being hit by the tories policies. Mothers in particular.

How so floral? At an abortion you are rightly spoken to without a partner/anyone present beforehand?

As someone who was very poor, I think a lot of poor woman would rather suck up the ‘chestfeeding’ type crap than be made homeless. Obviously it’s not a choice to be made but I wouldn’t throw vulrenable woman under the bus for the ‘greater good’ as repeal has said, I’d rather not vote.

lisamuggeridge · 27/01/2019 21:19

Purpleingreensprouts
I never encountered them till austerity and I have never seen an organisation who hates particularly working class women more. Ever. Across the organisation, across its structures. Its deep rooted.

Purplewithgreenspots · 27/01/2019 21:16

I’ve only ever been to one Labour party do and it was full of middle class men and women. We stood out for being working class. Never did that again.
I don’t mind which mainstream party a candidate stands for. I do mind their personal politics. One that doesn’t seem keen to throw women under the bus seems good to me. Now I have to find one...

Oxytocindeficient · 27/01/2019 21:15

If you do overcook quinoa, mix it with mashed sweet potato, some spices and stuff, might need some flour, Quinoa fritters 👍 mmm lasagne

WrathofRancidKlopp · 27/01/2019 21:15

ChewyLouie
I won’t be able to think of Baba Ganoush in the same way now

The power of words demonstrated right there.

Oxytocindeficient · 27/01/2019 21:11

womanformallyknownaswoman Ben & Jerry’s has pretty good vegan ice cream, bit expensive for us as a regular thing so I make my own. Frozen sliced bananas & cocoa powder, blended. It’s soft ice cream but I proper ice cream is too hard and cold!!

Yeah, so we make 6 thyroid hormones, T1- T6. They don’t understand what the others do, but NDT has them all from what I understand and that plays a part. I’m no expert, and everyone is different and you have to decide what’s best for you, but there’s just so many women who feel so much better on NDT. If only there was proper research on this... but women’s health problems just don’t get the attention. Also, I couldn’t afford to go through a private doctor for each prescription, I did for as long as I could afford. Now I buy it in from a pharmacy in America. Do you know of the stop the thyroid madness website? Really good info there

womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 21:10

Mothers were harmed by austerity. Say it/. Mothers. Women made vulnerable to state abuse by them being mothers. Their biology. And that aint going to be solved by throwing women to the wolves of institutions who are trying to sell us motherhood and womanhood are not linked, cos they also provide the evidence base for these policies. MOthers. Women whose body produced human life are harmed by policies and making womanhood unspeakable is an extension of that.

This!! Bit long for a T-shirt slogan but it needs to be on a banner or something. 86% of effects of austerity fall on women but note how the word mothers and lone parent mothers have already been disappeared already, even though they constitute this group of grossly targeted women.

So not only women but mothers have become colonised terms

AlexaDavie · 27/01/2019 21:10

“Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

oxy

It was cologne for me”

What?

ChewyLouie · 27/01/2019 21:06

Wrath I won’t be able to think of Baba Ganoush in the same way now. Barbara-> Babs -> Babs cabs.
Nowt wrong with quinoa just don’t over cook it. Puy lentils in my lasagne, lovely meat alternative.
Liebour? Lost my vote long before this latest round of ineptitude.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 27/01/2019 21:04

But what you haven't realised is Posie is talking to someone right wing!

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FloralBunting · 27/01/2019 21:01

It was during the Repeal referendum campaign in Ireland that someone pointed out to me that removing very specific sex definitions wrt abortion could quite easily lead to men being able to legally have a say in various abortion scenarios.

Ideas have consequences. And just because there are narrowly defined alliances now doesn't mean the people involved aren't very aware that this is not a long term proposition. And people do change their mind as time goes on and they engage with different ideas. In any direction.

Gah, I'm tired. Do we really have to have this same conversation for the next two hundred years?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 21:00

Cornish pasties and champagne and Stilton cheese and Jaffa cakes have more legal protection than women right now

Great T-shirt slogan...