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Women Stand Up in Washington, D.C.

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GrinitchSpinach · 26/01/2019 21:38

The board is, ahem, moving fast today, and some marvelous stuff is getting buried in the monster threads. I thought this might be a good place to collect reports from on the ground in D.C.

Thanks to SpartacusAutisticus for posting Natasha Chart's wonderful, raw speech outside Human Rights Campaign:
www.facebook.com/100003299679086/posts/2366913433428623/

Here is the protest outside Twitter:
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2366769483443018&id=100003299679086&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FD8guU5XQ0R&_rdr

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 18:07

Question: Is there any reason not to refer to the Equality Act as the Female Erasure Act?

Kara: No.

Question: EEOC website still defines sex discrimination as sex or gender identity?

Kara: I have not seen the site. That is probably an EEOC policy. The guidance was never enacted into law. Different agencies have different policies; we do so gender identity creeping in to all kinds of policies. It makes no sense.

Question: Hasn't a lot of this [ideology] come out of academia? Isn't this a monster that was built in the laboratory of academia?

Hacsi: Yes. Latched onto gay rights.
Jennifer Chavez: Stems from queer theory. Look it up and fight back against it everywhere.

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Oxytocindeficient · 28/01/2019 18:04

Thanks from me too

feministfairy · 28/01/2019 18:03

I'm so glad this is happening and women's voices are being heard.

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 18:03

-My liberal friends ask me, Why do you care?
-Because of the parents whose stories Jennifer read, and because if sex is construed to mean gender, WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN GENERAL WILL UTTERLY DISAPPEAR.
-Hoping Boyertown goes before the Supreme Court; WoLF have filed an amicus brief.
-Unmitigated disaster; it means women and girls will no longer exist as a protected class for civil rights legislation.

-In Congress, the Equality Act is pending. Who would be against Equality? Everybody likes Equality!
-This bill would amend the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include gender identity as a protected class; unmitigated disaster for women and girls.
-It is not possible to enshrine gender identity in law and protect women and girls as a distinct class in law.
-I think Democrats are well-intentioned but they have not fully explored the consequences of this legislation.

-The emptiness, intellectual bankruptcy of this ideology. The crucial terms such as gender identity are undefined, completely circular (gender identity is the gender with which one identifies) or rely on outdated sex-based stereotypes.
-We should not be basing legislation on terms that have no definition.

Nice round of applause!

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:57

Kara Dansky now:

-Hands Across the Aisle set aside the issues on which they disagree in order to focus on areas of agreement.

-Title IX enacted specifically to protect women and girls against discrimination "on the basis of sex" but also protects sex-segregated spaces.
-Obama guidelines re-interpreted "sex" to mean "gender identity," with no notice and guidance; no opportunity for public comment.
-WoLF sued; suit was dropped when Trump admin came in and dropped Obama guidelines.
-However, this has created much confusion for schools across the country.
-Suits across the country from trans-identified students against districts (and in one case non-trans students suing to demand sex segregation).
Gloucester & Boyertown cases percolating through the courts. Brave Alexis Lightcap one of the Boyertown plaintiffs.

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OvaHere · 28/01/2019 17:52

Thanks for the transcribing. Even though I know most of this stuff already it's still shocking to hear it spoken about and how normalised society has made it.

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:52

"Inclusivity means all voices are welcome, except women. Except lesbians."

"The T is diametrically opposed to the first three letters in the acronym, and especially to the L."

-cotton ceiling

-TWAW is repeated like a mantra, but no one really believes it

-Sex and gender mean different things, and we must not conflate

-Gender is regressive. Our female sex is the one and only qualifier of womanhood.

-Ooh great bit about conservatives trying to make people's personalities match their bodies; progressives trying to make people's bodies match their personalities. Radical feminists say no to both!

-We are losing an entire generation of sisters to this madness. I'm here because I care about women, and I expect that you do, too.

RAUCOUS applause!

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midpond · 28/01/2019 17:49

Anyone DC-based?

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:45

-Doctors are not considering differential diagnoses.
-The science is complete junk.
-We have to stop it. Thousands and thousands and thousands of children now are going through this.

[I like HH's voice! it is soothing.]

Julia Beck on now:

Why is a lesbian speaking at the Heritage Foundation? Because I am politically homeless.

[I like her voice too!]

I was kicked off the Baltimore LGBTQ Commission and investigated and found guilty by them of "violence" for using male pronouns to refer to a rapist in a women's prison.

[Ooh she is good but hard to keep up with, typing wise!]

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:41

-Blockers stop children from growing physically, but also blocks the mental and emotional maturation of puberty.
-Huge loss of follow up in studies: 30-40%. Where are these patients?If this were an HIV study, that would be considered an emergency level of loss to follow up.
-Happening mainly in English speaking countries
-Oregon will allow 15 year olds surgery without parental consent
-Johanna Olson Kennedy in LA will refer 13 year olds for radical mastectomy
-The barn doors are wide open.
-Society is indoctrinated to say "this is human rights. I don't want to say the wrong thing."

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:36

-ROGD: a mass craze, predominantly girls. Gender identity is the new eating disorder.
-Nobody wants to be a bigot.
-Young girls have internalized misogyny, internalized homophobia, and often have experienced trauma.
-Young boys may have the beginnings of AGP fueled by pervasive porn.

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:34

HH:
-"It's spin. There are enormous gaps [in trans medial research]. Pretty much all the science is an exercise in confirmation bias and selection bias."
-Dutch doctors were the first to push puberty blockers and early hormones. American doctors have taken it even further/earlier.
-It's one way trip. You don't go off these things. (blockers)
-Small children who play with the "wrong" toys being rushed to pediatric gender clinics funded by multimillionaires. Again it's a one way trip.

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:29

-In only one visit and with a little bloodwork, Planned Parenthood will happily prescribe hormones, disregarding mental health status.

Hacsi Horvath up now

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OvaHere · 28/01/2019 17:25

Thanks for posting that Tacky I think it's easy to lose sight as to how emotionally draining it is for those on the frontline.

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:25

JC: "Children were not born in the wrong bodies." Quoting parents:

-daughter on autism spectrum. Where did she get the idea? A school presentation. More than 5% of students at her school are now trans-identified. No therapy or consideration of social factors offered by doctors; told to agree puberty blockers or daughter would suicide. "Conversion therapy bans" mean questioning a child's declared gender identity is against the law. NJ Dept Education officially encourages schools to report parents who do not support medical transition to Child Protective Services. Written to representatives and been ignored. Lifelong Democrat outraged that only conservative news sources will listen.

-"After suffering multiple traumatic events in her life and spending a lot of time on the internet, my daughter suddenly declared she was a male. Around this time she was diagnosed with ADHD, depression, and anxiety, but medical professionals focused only on gender identity." Put through a CPS investigation. Endocrinologist prescribed T without parent's knowledge or consent. Underwent double mastectomy and hysterectomy at 17. Why does Oregon law allow CHILDREN to make life-altering medical decisions?

-Youtube Instagram Tumblr and Reddit supplied a complete how-to-transition guide. We are facing this ever-growing storm of social contagion without any help.

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Tackytriceratops · 28/01/2019 17:16

Message from posie:

www.facebook.com/theposieparker/videos/2369584096494890/

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:14

I hear you, Bubonic.

Ryan T. Anderson doing an intro.

Jennifer Chavez will be up first to share anonymous accounts from children experiencing ROGD (and their parents).

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Bubonicpanic · 28/01/2019 17:06

Thanks grintich. I'm baffled at how much traffic there is to the multiple threads having an argument about an argument than there is actually engaging in the work that is being done.

Hey ho.

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 17:01

Livestream from today's Equality Act panel at Heritage Foundation should start in a moment:

www.heritage.org/event/the-inequality-the-equality-act-concerns-the-left

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Oxytocindeficient · 28/01/2019 11:46

Does anyone trust any media anymore?!

GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 11:13

Fox will fix it

I would rather they didn't. Fox is in essence the propaganda arm (actually becoming a policy shop too with Trump's viewing habits) of the GOP. If Fox are the first to raise this issue, people on the left will dismiss it out of hand as right-wing fear mongering and bigotry.

I would much rather have the traditional trusted media look into the details of this legislation.

Unfortunately places like the NYT are completely on the T bandwagon and apparently very invested in telling us all to be good little girls and move over for The Most Oppressed Middle and Upper Class White Males Ever. (Despite their reader comments being fairly critical of this stance.)

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/01/2019 11:06

No protests; the event location was kept secret until the last minute. (It was the DC public library FYI).

It was hard to get a sense of the room because the camera work focused deliberately on the panel (seemed they were trying to protect the privacy of people in the crowd). I don't think the organizers advertised the talk very widely. In fact when I first heard it was going to happen (a few weeks ago) and went looking for details I found bupkis. So maybe they were trying to keep it small and manageable?

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trumptrump · 28/01/2019 10:45

I was surprised by how small this event was. I thought it was going to be much bigger.

Were there protestors?

Oxytocindeficient · 28/01/2019 10:39

Meghan: "This is not a left versus right issue; this is a reality issue."

Here here!

Thanks for posting this. Far more important thread than explaining ourselves to transwomen dropping in to tell us what to do and who to talk to.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/01/2019 07:31

America needs Man Friday don't they?

bless 'em, they really helped to break the silence women's legitimate discomfort at the clash of trans 'rights' and women's privacy, safety and dignity

maybe we could crowdfund to send some lime green mankinis over?