School girls gaslit en masse after encountering 'naked man' in swimming pool shower

I think it's more that this is exactly how TRAs frame it, having argued this with many of them.

Rarely do they use public showers because they want to avoid harassment."

But the girls aren’t harassing them. A girl pointing out there’s a man in the shower is not harassment.

Harassment would be a transwoman using the men’s showers and being verbally or physically abused. In which case - the answer is for men to be more accepting of gender non conforming men.

You’re right, there is no recourse for girls and women when female spaces are lovingly gift wrapped with a sparkly bow and handed over to all males. Pat on the back for the brave TW and re-education for the girls, the world had truly gone mad.

"The incident underscores concerns that often arise among members of the transgender community. Rarely do they use public showers because they want to avoid harassment."

Oh, the poor dears. Never mind the teenage girls who are being flashed at, it's all about the poor sexual predator trans person.

It's only gonna affect men when their dds come home having been assulted.

But when their friemds then blame the ad for her clothing etc they will realise that it's too late. They let it happen.

For about 2 seconds til someone reminds them equality is what feminists wanted and it's our fault they tuned out cos women are just hysterical and Namalt

If I was getting changed (as a female!) I would cover up if a teenager walked in and apologise if they showed or voiced discomfort, as surely the majority of people would. It says a lot that this man's response was instead justifying why he should be allowed to expose himself to them.

when will it end?

When it impacts men.

This is exactly the problem with "well in the unlikely event a creep takes advantage of the massive gaping safeguarding loopholes we aim to create, you ladies can just call the police!"

Yeah, this was always a steaming pile of bullshit and they knew it. Women cannot trust the police or the state to protect us from male violence. I mean, rape is practically legal. We will certainly have no legal recourse to protect us from sexual harassment and voyeurism in intimate spaces as long as there is considered to be a grey area where some males are 'legitimately' allowed into women's single-sex spaces and some apparently aren't.

From the article Palm Springs previously adopted a transgender restroom law in July 2016, approving an ordinance to convert all single-stall restrooms in public buildings within the city into gender-neutral family restrooms

So it seems like local politicians are being sensible - multi stalled toilets have remained single sex, not that that means much if TWAW but at least they haven’t gone ‘fuck it’ and made it an official free for all.

^ That I think this shows how low my expectations have fallen in regards to politicians being sensible.
Of course, the gaps under many cubicles in the US are massive, leaving you exposed pretty much up to the knee while sitting down on the loo, showing off your knickers round your ankles. I’ve actually turned on my heel and walked back out of a toilet in a US megastore, can’t remember if it was Walmart or Kmart, thinking ‘I’m just too British for this’.

What possible good intentioned motivation can any penis-endowed person have for doing this?

chewy

I'm sure I read on here and I'm happy to be corrected, that after all the fuss American teenager lila Perry went through to gain access to the girls changing facilities, they ended up disappointed because it wasn't sone porno fantasy lesbian fest. .

These things aren't as much fun when it's legal..

No need to hide out in the woods with a dirty old mac anymore is there? Thing is, until predators get bored of the accessibility and hark back to the golden days of subterfuge, it’s young girls like this who will pay the price of state endorsed kink.

Maybe gym faculties should be segregated into the penis room and the vulva room?

Course they can still use it.

There's no point in this unisex facility. Unless they are removing the sex segregated rooms altogether. But surprise surprise there's no mention of the men's changing rooms here....

Madge Have you read The Power?

This just exposes the very valid concerns of all us terfs-that young women will be forced to shower next to naked men. If the pool does provide a mixed sex changing room, will Male bodied people who feel like women, be expected to use it? Or can they still use the womens as they are transitioning?

A third space would be deemed discriminatory as TWAW

a ‘we carry sharp objects and dislike penises’ space may be possible, no bar to anyone entering

If they make a 3rd space for the trans woman would they still be allowed to use the female showers by law?

Until the law is changed this will go on happening. The girls' privacy is no longer protected in law.

From pictures it looks like a single, open air pool, not an indoor complex with multiple pools in seperate rooms.

Presumably the girls’ water polo team has fixed training times, so if a person wanted to be seen naked by a whole group of high school girls, it would be easy to anticipate the exact moment when you would have to be exposed, to ensure maximum exposure?

And similarly, if you wanted to ensure you weren’t in the shower when the high school girls were, you could arrange your schedule accordingly?

I’ve sometimes done a few extra lengths to avoid the changing rooms at peak school swimming times. Not because I have a penis but because a) I think girls should be given as much privacy as possible when partially dressed or naked, especially when their parents are not present and b) because my almost completely tattooed body makes some of them think I’m a sea monster, and while I am absolutely entitled to do whatever the fuck I want with my body (within the constraints of the law) I don’t think my choices entitle me to make children uncomfortable, nor force them to learn about adult topics before they are ready, especially with no parents there to mediate.

Posted too soon. Maybe women and girls should identify out of their gender and into a heavily-armed-and-ready-to-attack gender instead. I can’t help but feel there’s be fewer instusive penises in changing rooms if everyone knew we had cutting tools and were prepared to use them

Can I-will-chop-it-off-if-I-see-it be a gender now too please

Maybe

My comment has gone, and it is showing zero comments. I wonder how many other people have commented and had their comments pulled?

If they were a transwomen wouldn't they be making counter allegations of hate crime and misgendering?
How do the police know they are telling the truth when the very investigation would he labelled transphobic

A simple no penises in female changing facilities would make a better policy as that is clear.

Now it has been established that any man can enter female changing facilities and claim they are transistioning as an excuse / reason.