I see Daily Mail links posted here a lot for a source

Jan Moir obviously

I don't see anything anyone who wasn't Jack Shepherd could object to in Jan No it's article.

It's a good idea to check that any 'shocking' news story can be verified elsewhere, whether it is covered in the Mail or the Guardian. Perhaps if the OP could link to a story from the Mail that was widely discussed on this board and later proved to be false?

I hear what you're saying MoltenLasagne. I come from a family with limited literacy with the reading material in the house being The Sun and The News of the World. No books.

School was better but as a bog-standard comprehensive we were more likely to have trained in dressage than to have carried out a critical comparative analysis of different media sources.

She sounds amazing MrsTP. So true about Shakespeare being sex and violence - my grandma said that if Shakespeare was around now he'd be doing a poetic version of Dynasty!

I bet the OP is livid about the Mail's coverage of Jack Shepherd who is publicly demonstrating to the world what DARVO is:

(DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender )

Jan Moir seems to have nailed it:

www.mailonsunday.co.uk/femail/article-6630133/JAN-MOIR-Speedboat-killer-Jack-Shepherd-ignorant-brute-whos-convinced-victim.html

Molton you'd have loved my English teacher. She was wildly clever but never made anyone feel bad. I made a scathing remark about Jackie Collins once and she made me go and read her books. Because she said, "sex and violence, that's the same as Shakespeare". There was a boy in the class who was a real handful, and she managed to convince him to read Shakespeare based on the same premise.

I absolutely LOVED her and when I was treated really poorly by a sexist maths teacher, she supported me to complain. Apart from my mum and grandmother, she was probably the first awesome feminist I looked up to.

Gotta love a plopper

Wait, no i have that wrong

Gotta hate a plopper

And the Wikipedia comment ...hahahahahahahahaaaaa

Still god loves a tryer

Crikey Molton what did she make of page 3 of the sun I wonder

It's very fashionable even still, among certain people, to scorn the DM, and I do suspect that's because they are actually scorning the people they perceive to be 'the kind of people that read the DM'. Which has all sorts of connotations wrt class and privilege, tbh.

I remember an English teacher commenting, rather scathingly, that the DM had an average reading comprehension age of 9 and pointing out all the tips it used to get readers to keep reading implying that they were too stupid to continue of their own accord.

Coming from a family where most of my family read the DM and had left school at 14/15 I was left with no doubt that in her view my family were thickos and that somehow the paper, in trying to be readable, was at fault for not "bettering" them. This teacher viewed herself as moral and righteous on many things, but I've never forgotten the contempt she showed for the wrong thinkers in the working class.

I know there is fake stuff out there on all outlets, media FB, twitter, some folk will fall for it, some will question a sort of cyber chat over the fence with a neighbour. It does worry me though. Found a link, that is really a long read.

slate.com/technology/2019/01/newsguard-nuzzelrank-media-ratings-fake-news.html?via=gdpr-consent

Saskia and CNN something smells fishy.

www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/01/24/five-news-publications-deemed-trustworthy-by-newsguard-that-posted-fake-news/

FWIW, I loathe the DM and I'm banned from commenting there, but I'm also deeply suspicious of something that claims to evaluate a news source, it just smacks of censorship. And it's particularly odd if, as pp have said, the same service rates Fox News as accurate.

So OP did the mic drop thing and ran?

That's just bait. Poor show .

It starts with education in schools. When I went to school decades ago in the South East my education was pretty broad I like to think. Dad was transferred to Wales during O levels, suddenly, history, geography, was all about Lloyd George, coal/slate mines Welsh mountains. To say I was in shock was an understatement.

My friends daughter who transferred to a USA school aged 14 had the same culture shock. The USA history/geography/english language she had been taught in the UK was part of a broad international syllabus over there in the mid west, USA was the only country worth exploring, it was the be all and end all.

We need to teach our children to question everything not learn it rote style as the gospel according to....???

The Daily Mail reporting on Sophia Botha was excellent. From having the ear of the Labour leadership they are now irrelevant and tweeting away into the void with barely a single like .

Pombear fab idea well done your dad

tracey

Two points.

1. It’s important to read a range of media. If you only get your news from the mail, or the guardian, or the morning star, you’re only getting one spin, one view. When you read a range of media, you will get multiple angles in the same story. This increases your chances of getting a clearer picture but it also shows you how each outlet presents a story and this is often as informative as the story itself.

1. You don’t get to tell me what to read. I will read mumsnet. I will read the mail, I will read the guardian. I will read anything I want. I will be aware of the slant /bias/ agenda of where I read it. And I will come to my own conclusions.

I was helped tremendously by a Christian apologist some years ago now. I don't agree with him on a number of issues, and our politics and approach to much, probably including whether gender is innate, because he's more conservative than I am.

But he is chock full of integrity, and does lots of debates, primarily religious theology topics. He takes time to completely understand the views of the people he disagrees with, because he knows that if you go into a discussion without understanding exactly what your opponent believes, and why they believe it, you will look and be a fool.

That approach is as rare as hens teeth nowadays. There's a reason all sorts of things get linked here, be they kiwifarms or the DM, or articles written by transactivists. It's because a large proportion of the women here are invested in finding out about things as the actually are, and why people believe things and what motivates them from all sides, and talking about the consequences of those things and beliefs.

Yes, like that one OldCrone.

Here's another belter.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5565999/Row-female-compartments-transgender-people-pits-Churchills-grandson-against-Mumsnet.html

The one above was where the Caledonian Sleeper opened its overnight female-only accommodation to any bloke who claims to be a woman. The Daily Mail reported on how a lot of people on Mumsnet were unhappy about this. Fine.

Then the article veered off into covering remarks by Sophia Botha, a male transgender person who once took a selfie with Jeremy Corbyn. Botha remarked that it is justified to punch women if they do not agree that men who claim to be women actually are women.

The article is thus triumphantly concluded with a large insert entitled Corbyn ally urges: 'Thump a feminist.

Classic Daily Mail.

X-post looking like I'm agreeing with me being quoted! I was agreeing with @PineapplePower !

So true.

Proceed with caution" is advice which should be applied to any source of information.

Absolutely. In the olden days we were taught to read everything and think about bias, history, perspective and to think critically. We read primary texts by 'bad' people in order to see what they thought about themselves.
And what and how they tried to persuade others to think, I would add.

Excellent post, MrsTerry!

I ended up turning to Breitbart FFS after the Cologne attacks

It’s sad that important issues are getting
covered by right-wing media because they are too controversial for everyone else. We cede so much of the conversation this way;
If DM and Breitbart are the only ones that will cover trans issues and rape gangs, then they get to frame the debate unfortunately

Didn't everyone do the exercise with the newspapers (described above by a pp) in like year 7 or something?

It's something I've done throughout my life - read lots of different papers/ books and viewpoints. Does seem odd that somehow we need to be spoon feed the 'correct' groupthink rather than being allowed to evaluate sources ourselves.

And the sneering about the DM (including on here) is very class based I think.