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Trans activist shares their activism tactics

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OrangeJuicy · 23/01/2019 00:50

Emma G who declared war on Graham Linehan, and seemingly compared him to US neo-Nazis

See here:
mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1087617063277993984

"Here's a thing I want
@Glinner
to know:

Graham, I am well-known for devastating the neo-Nazi movement in the US. I've helped swing US Military policy. People have gone to jail. They're afraid of me. They've kept me busy, but not for much longer.

And you're in my sights next."

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087297309388562432

Has now written a thread on their activism tactics.

Which sound... familiar. I can understand why Graham may want the thread reported for encouraging harassment, but maybe it should stay up to show everyone their tactics. Let's look and learn.

Thread:

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087785050857504769

archive.fo/eqCSq
(I think I've archived the whole thread there ?)

Since we're apparently being called Nazis, fascist, alt-right etc... Lol.
Or "other movements" .
Also, we have excellent reasoning.
Anyway, these are the tweets, pretty revealing:

  1. "There’s a playbook for undermining movements that works particularly well when those movements aren’t rooted in reason but in exclusion and mutuality. This playbook works for fascist groups, but also works for reflexive patriotism, hateful religiosity, and other movements."
  1. "The important thing to remember is you cannot debate in good faith with someone who will not debate in good faith. You cannot win on those terms."
  1. "Any debate is for the benefit of the unaffiliated external observer, so you have to frame the matter in the appropriate context, and that context should be tailored to the virtue centers of the audience. Exclusion and bigotry vs inclusion and civil rights."
  1. "Even still, you’re really not in a high-efficiency activity here. You’re far better off doing direct outreach."

  2. "Beyond that, there are a number of tools at your disposal. First, you recognize that their sense of identity is unity-focused, so your goal should be to sow distrust among the in-group to factionalize and divide."

  3. "Identifying and pressuring existing stress fractures is key. Frame the internal divisions and try to make them appear even larger."

  4. "Undermining trust also can take direct forms. I’ll leave it to your imagination here."

  5. "Next, remove the pillars of support of the movement. This means engaging with the things they rely on most heavily. This is hard, because this feels like an uphill battle."

  6. "If they rely on the media, you find inroads with the media. If they rely on the state, you (carefully and wisely) use the state. Turn their best tools against them. Undermining the trust in their foundations further exacerbates the internal divisions."

  7. "Then, shape their message as much ado about nothing. Seal off newcomers joining them because they look like zealots waging a very serious war against an absurd opponent."

  8. "While you do this, deny all forms of comfort. Undermine the sense of security in the spaces they feel most comfortable. Again, it’s left to your imagination here."

  9. "Each of these things will come with a pushback that will lead to a backlash. Don’t let that surprise you. Predict it and preempt it."

  10. "This allows you to start shaping the narrative of your choosing. Do not react. No story about your movement should come as a surprise. Preact. You should always have a response plan."

  11. "Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious."

  12. "If they think you’ve got nothing, always have something. If you have something, make them think you’ve got nothing."

  13. "This is precisely the playbook that was implemented after UTR to good success. The effects weren’t immediate but they only took about 7 months to effectively neutralize several key alt right movements and leaders."

      1. I have no idea what they're talking about ( also got no idea what UTR is/was above, I included that because "7mnths to "neutralize") so not going to copy those here.
  14. "Fascistic movements think that unification around their identity is what makes them strong, but it’s not. It makes them weak. While cringing a bit by even brining this up, this is precisely how Russia exploited American identitarianism to manipulate our democracy."

I think we can recognise some of these tactics trans activists have employed. If we had outlined what they were doing like this, we'd probably be called paranoid conspiracy theorists. Thanks Emma, for laying it all out in the open.

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Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 16:36

PMSL at Pain Grin

UnicornFarmer · 23/01/2019 16:28

I think he saw himself in it because she explicitly named him and said she was going to harass him?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/01/2019 16:27

Fuck!! I meant dog with a bone, not boner Blush

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/01/2019 16:26

Dog with a boner

Trans activist shares their activism tactics
Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 16:11

I saw a couple of people tweet exactly that in response Grin

MsTSwift · 23/01/2019 16:06

On reading that solemn “I am coming for you” bit does that primary school retort “oooooh I’m scared” not pop into anyone else’s head Grin

RedemptiveCrocodile · 23/01/2019 15:54

Very astute summary, Datun.

IfNotNowThenWhy · 23/01/2019 14:48

Thank you calpop. I am quite paranoid when it comes to chat apps and multi player games, trying to keep on top of it!

Datun · 23/01/2019 14:23

I'm not sure what these American transactivists think. This government has consulted on a change to the law, for which they asked people to respond. To meet, talk about the implications and fill in a consultation document.

The clue is in the name. The government are consulting their constituents.

Gun toting TRAs from America, threatening women and laying out a battleplan to force the UK general public into complying with their ideology, don't seem to realise that what women are doing is not only legal, it's been promoted by our government.

Invoking Nazis, fascists, to further their cause is utterly irrelevant (and weird).

Sex segregation is a protocol that has already been won and accepted nationally for decades. And now people, largely aggressive men, are insisting on dismantling it, by threatening women with 'ruination' backed up by violence.

Little wonder that anyone who gets even a sniff of transactivism peaks immediately.

MsMcWoodle · 23/01/2019 14:12

That Emily sounds like she'd be a right laugh at parties, doesn't she?
Imagine spilling her pint.
Seriously though, what a depressing life. Sounds like someone with a yawning cavern of self loathing to fill.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 23/01/2019 13:43

What's an elephant bike? Does it have really big wheels? How is it steered?

I have concerns.

andyoldlabour · 23/01/2019 13:43

Emily is a bit of a fantasist and tends to fabricate and skew statistics, as in this article.

"Anti-transgender violence against Black people is at epidemic levels."

emilygorcenski.com/post/transgender-murders-by-the-numbers/

Out of a total 15,129 murders in the US in 2017, 19 were black/transgender, 29 transgender murders in all - around 0.19%. By contrast in the UK in 2017 there were 613 murders (I am discounting the 96 added on for the Hillsboro manslaughter victims for obvious reasons).

www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

littlbrowndog · 23/01/2019 13:37

Naw they don’t because they are staring in mirror while writing this and thinking go me go me

Datun · 23/01/2019 13:33

Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious.

Dear God, do these people ever listen to themselves?

Freespeecher · 23/01/2019 13:24

Thanks UnicornFarmer, I appreciate your candour. Hope the extrication was successful.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 13:15

"Every accusation is an admission".

Always.

MrsWinkly · 23/01/2019 13:12

Oleannas
That quote Shock ... "even with just Mumsnet they talk in the same way nazis talk in their private discord like Mumsnet isn't open to basically everyone"

That's nuts. Like Nazis? Do they think we're using semaphore and morse?
One of the things I love about FWR is that everyone speaks clearly!
Also ironic, considering the lexicon of gender bollocks which they've foisted upon the world in an effort to confuse and shame ordinary people into agreeing with their ideology.

OlennasWimple · 23/01/2019 12:59

One of the replies on that thread says even with just Mumsnet they talk in the same way nazis talk in their private discord like Mumsnet isn't open to basically everyone.

Because saying that we want the Girl Guides to remain a single sex organisation and only women have periods is clearly analogous to devising the Final Solution Hmm

There's a thread on Glinner on Kiwi Farms, by the way, which isn't exactly flattering to him but is far far worse about Emily

I also wonder if the "major international company" that Emily works for has a social media policy that approves of threats and harassment? twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087967082178850816

calpop · 23/01/2019 12:59

both sexes I should say!

Damn my mom fingers!

calpop · 23/01/2019 12:57

Hi IfNotNow, yes it is, but as well as gamers (of all sexes and ages) there are also a lot of incel type adult males and other weirdos. As well as random, non-gaming servers (its a bit like reddit).

You can now block non-friends see here: support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/217916488-Blocking-Privacy-Settings-

I would urge you to do this for teens as, like all corners of digital messaging, a few weirdos and predators can ruin things for all the genuine people just wanting to chat about their hobbies and interests.

UnicornFarmer · 23/01/2019 12:52

Hey Freespeecher,

Where I was, I found it to be a mix of all three. Some of them definitely got off on the idea of physically fighting people. I would probably fall more into your well-meaning hangers-on category. I didn't set out specifically to get involved but there is considerable overlap between them and various other groups I had more to do with.

I think my lot were mostly local action. Not much of that though.

I just got tired of them. Aside from the aforementioned fighty types, I found it attracted quite a lot of credulous idiots, to be frank. Mostly not doing anything.
I have a science degree and work in my industry and the anti-science beliefs a lot of these people held bothered me. That was regarding GMOs and related rather than trans issues btw. Those weren't really on my radar at the time. Corrections there were ignored or dismissed as distracting details. I was also trying to extricate myself from sex work at the time and I found the devotion to 'sex work is work' and being called a SWERF or a prude or 'white feminist when i disagreed etc rather infuriating. I just decided to distance myself from that whole side of things in the end.

IfNotNowThenWhy · 23/01/2019 12:21

Hey calpop I thought Discord was an app that teens use to chat about gaming? I looked up how to block randoms on it, but there doesn't seem to be a "friends only" setting.. ( He has a list of actual friends gamer names).
Sorry for the derail, I just thought you might be able to help! ( my interest in gaming died with Sonic..)

Freespeecher · 23/01/2019 12:17

UnicornFarmer

Yes, depersonalising a group of people in order to justify righteous violence (or doxxing, harassment etc) is never a good luck.

When you were with Antifa did you find it to be a handful of true believers and a lot of well-meaning hangers-on? Or was it more along the lines of people with a lot of pent-up violence looking to unleash it in a socially acceptable way? Did they decide on action locally or was it coordinated across the country? And lastly, was it a particular event that made you leave or was it more of a cumulative effect?

(So many questions! I'm just intrigued as I've never come across a former Antifa type before so I'm interested in your perspective).

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 23/01/2019 12:10

To Emily: U ok hun?

UnicornFarmer · 23/01/2019 12:01

Also is Emily too stupid to realise that most of the Mumsnet userbase has nothing to do with this one board, or does she.... just not care about the safety and privacy of women and their children? Or did they mean they were going to target a handful of users who post in threads E doesn't like?
Fighting percieved fascism with actual fascism isn't a great look. This is why I uninvolved myself with antifa.