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"Because good men deserve great sex"

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puddlefuck · 22/01/2019 12:06

I've been looking at www.manual.co/guided for work (I work for a pharmacy) and they seem to be trying to sell hair loss and erectile dysfunction treatments by promoting a 'new masculinity' where men open up and talk about their feelings. Which is fine. But as part of this, they are promoting a message that good men deserve great sex. I haven't read through the whole site, but here are two articles with that exact wording:
www.manual.co/guided/erectile-dysfunction-and-testosterone/
www.manual.co/guided/erectile-dysfunction-and-age-questions-answered/

It's given me the rage. But I can't quite put my finger on why. Obviously, the male sexual entitlement message is just plain old wrong, but there's something really unsettling about how they've couched it in this 'new man, talking about my feelings, looking after my wellbeing' brand. It feels reminiscent of the 'Nice Guys of OkCupid' stuff that was doing the rounds a few years back.

Can anyone help me unpick this?

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disneyspendingmoney · 22/01/2019 14:48

shit that came across a bit wrong.

It is for men to participate in and tbh the leaders in challenging other men's flawed views.

Everyone has a role in changing these outdated male entitlement views, but it is for men to be the models for other men.

I'm digging myself a hole here aren't I

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 22/01/2019 14:47

Nobody is entitled to sex. Claiming otherwise is rape apology.

disneyspendingmoney · 22/01/2019 14:43

candycane222
Thank you.

Overall it's for men to challenge men about their flawed worldviews, well that's my feeling about it

This site doesn't do any challenging, rather it softens and promotes a view, that in my estimations is wrong.

CoastalLife · 22/01/2019 14:37

Disney you're quite right.

disneyspendingmoney · 22/01/2019 14:32

CoastalLife
mind if I make a little correction
^right to demand it^
to
^right to take it^

CoastalLife · 22/01/2019 14:29

MadMum5811 I will try and be kind in my response under the assumption that you genuinely do not understand why the idea of sex being an entitlement is wrong and dangerous.

Nobody, male or female, is entitled to sex. Being entitled to something means that it is your right to demand it. For example, you are entitled to be paid for work that you do (subject to your employment contract). If this payment is not forthcoming, you are within your rights to demand it and to take legal action to claim it if necessary. You are entitled, as a UK resident, to receive NHS treatment for most medical conditions. Again, you are within your legal and moral rights to demand this treatment. There are many more things that you are entitled to as a human being.

NOBODY has any legal or moral right to DEMAND sex from another person. Nobody. You are entitled to want to have sex and you are entitled to leave a relationship that does not fulfill you sexually but you are NOT entitled to demand that somebody have sex with you.

If someone decided that they wanted to have sex with you, but you didn't want to, would you allow it because they are entitled to have sex?

WunderBlah · 22/01/2019 14:24

Nobody deserves or is entitled to sex. That is INCEL talk!

Sex is one of life's nice bonuses if it all works out that way and there are a million reasons it doesn't work out that way all the time for all of the people.

It is not air or food or water.

candycane222 · 22/01/2019 14:16

Great post disney

disneyspendingmoney · 22/01/2019 14:01

Well, I read the two links that puddlefuck posted and bring a 52 yo bald man with diabetes and ED and the rest of the site too. I came away from them very disappointed. There was nothing in these two articles that could or would help me any more that what my GP is already doing (in being treated for diabetes - I don't give two fucks about the other two conditions, I've got many more things to be getting on with in my life, that are much more important.

If anything I think that they are targeting young men and scare storying them, with a problem that they do not have. Also the sentences used to describe what the should get "wild sex" & "deserve great sex" is being used to make men who think they aren't getting what the are entitled to, that their "advice" will give it to them.

I feel puddlefuck is absolutly right the interpretation of this material. It promotes a couple of male fears, 1,about it not working therefore we aren't quite men anymore. 2, That there is a lot of wild stuff we deserve and we should be getting it.

Both of them are false.

Finally, that site failed miserably at making me want to buy anything from their shop.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 22/01/2019 13:59

In the context of the page, it seems ok, if a little poorly worded since taken on its own it seems to say men are entitled to sex.
Read in context it's not saying that at all.
The target audience is probably mostly couples.

headinhands · 22/01/2019 13:52

I don't read it that way. I don't read it as 'all men are entitled to have sex' but that those that do are allowed to feel they're having good sex.

madmum5811 · 22/01/2019 13:48

It wouldn`t help you at all Puddlefuck

ExplodedPeach · 22/01/2019 13:47

I've seen pretty similar wording in things advertising sex toys for women.

Personally I think context is everything.

puddlefuck · 22/01/2019 13:21

How would working in a women's refuge help me understand the distress of ED?

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Danaquestionseverything · 22/01/2019 13:20

Agree nobody is entitled to sex.

What I do find interesting is that, at least how OP has phrased it, it's sounds like they are almost linking hair loss with erectile dysfunction.

I wouldn't worry about protesting this too much... once the bald dudes find out they'll be doing it for you. The less hirsute men do love to bang on about how what they lack in hair, they make up for in virility. In fact I happened upon just this discussion yesterday on the radio.

There's even a saying... Oh yeah "It's not a bald spot, it's a solar panel for a sex machine". PMSL Grin

WeRiseUp · 22/01/2019 13:20

Apologies - the face was for the working in a refuge to understand ED.

MagicMix · 22/01/2019 13:20

Are there women in refuges because of ED?? Care to explain how that works?

I don't think anyone has a problem with encouraging men with ED to seek medical help. Everybody deserves to have medical problems taken seriously and resolved if possible, even bad people to be honest.

If they had just put something like 'Good men don't deserve to suffer in silence', then nobody would have any problem with it.

WeRiseUp · 22/01/2019 13:19
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ISmellBabies · 22/01/2019 13:19

Nobody can "deserve" sex because it isn't earned. It's something you should only do because you both want to, not because one of you deserves it and the other should therefore provide it. It is a terrible incel-type message.

madmum5811 · 22/01/2019 13:14

Sorry but you are all minimising the distress of ED to bang a feminist drum.

Try working in a womens refuge to understand how bad it really is.

MagicMix · 22/01/2019 13:12

Finding sex pleasurable and not wanting a romantic relationship with no sex are both very reasonable.

This does not entitle you to sex.

Sex is also not something that anyone deserves as a reward for good character or conduct.

Unfortunately in our culture many men do believe that they are entitled to sex and deserve sex as a reward for good character. This leads to a lot of male behaviour that negatively affects women and girls, up to and including rape and murder.

Bluestitch · 22/01/2019 13:07

Nobody is entitled to sex madmum.

Laniakea · 22/01/2019 13:07

sex requires another person therefore no-one is entitled to sex.

madmum5811 · 22/01/2019 13:05

Nope not an idiot, just an ordinary human being who finds sex pleasurable. I would not go into a relationship where sex is off the table.

CalmDownPacino · 22/01/2019 13:03

Absolutely nobody is entitled to sex. You must be very stupid.

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