Hadley Freeman getting it in the neck on Twitter

It may well be a deliberate attempt to hide the fact, that during the 1941 invasion of Russia by Germany (Operation Barbarossa), around 238,000 Ukrainians joined the Waffen SS to fight against Russia.

Mhm. From what I know, nobody will sell me the 'high-minded freedom fighter' story about the Ukrainian nationalists who now call the shots there. They can shout 'you are Putin's useful idiot' at me all they want, I know what I know.

"That sound you heard was my jaw hitting the floor. WTF? Have history books been banned or something?"

It may well be a deliberate attempt to hide the fact, that during the 1941 invasion of Russia by Germany (Operation Barbarossa), around 238,000 Ukrainians joined the Waffen SS to fight against Russia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

I think AOC is one of those politicians you automatically want to like. I mean, I don't know much about her at this point - just saw something about her, thought 'I like her' and then immediately distrusted that response.

I hope Hadley has found the same twitter setting that Graham Linehan is happily making use of!

That sound you heard was my jaw hitting the floor. WTF? Have history books been banned or something?

Well, Angry, after first hearing it, and after my initial shock, I looked the clip up on the computer, thinking, this cannot be. And there it was. And it went unchallenged by the interviewing journalist on national TV. (Viewers did complain afterwards, but I mean...).

Obviously at the very end of WWII, Russia did march into Germany (as did the Western allies), but, I mean, we all know 'stuff' happened before that. We (the West) are allying with some pretty revisionist, nationalist forces in Ukraine and the Baltics to counter Russia and it really concerns me. It runs counter to everything I know of and extended family experienced in WWII.

As for Hadley Freeman, I commend her for taking a stand in this climate.

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How it plays at home, in an extremely litigious society.

Tort lawyers lining up to figure out the best way to sue, is what I see. One girl, from the right (rich) family molested because an organization followed bad advice about sleeping arrangements is all it will take for precedents to be set.

What AOC doesn't have to worry about is long term. Short term is how politicians think. Do now, apologize later.

Plus, she has the wind of both the Bernie Bros with their sock puppet accounts, and the media promoting her to prove there was a reason they gave Bernie all that free air time in 2016.

I rather like AOC, but she has a long way to go to prove she's a lasting phenom.

When I heard Yatsenyuk (Vicky Nuland's 'our guy') had said on German TV the Russians had always been a threat, like back in the days of WWII when Russia attacked Germany

That sound you heard was my jaw hitting the floor. WTF? Have history books been banned or something?

Meanwhile, Hadley remains an impressive voice of reason in the middle of the smoking embers of what used to be a decent newspaper. I wonder how long she'll keep that job for.

Hadley has been out as GC for ages. She can handle herself!

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't need to listen to non-Americans here. She just has to think about how it plays at home. Like those yanks who used to support the IRA.

So much love for Hadley.

You're vile, you're trash, you're disgusting

yes, so rather than saying what someone has done to offend you, you just insult them.

'turned vile'

using an adjective about a group of people in a way you disagree with is 'vile'

crikey, heaven forbid anyone leaves the toilet seat up in your house

"Nothing wrong with wanting an honest politician who cares about ending poverty"

Yes, JC's account of his wreath laying antics were particularly honest - a real breath of fresh air. "I wasn't there - I didn't take part - no wreath - oh, maybe here was, and I laid it, but not for the people I thought, etc, etc"

And as for poverty, Venezuela, run by people JC used to and still seems to support, has a population slowly starving to death. No sure if this is a good omen.

When did it become acceptable to talk about people like this? You're vile, you're trash, you're disgusting. This is verbal abuse.

Do you think she actually ‘turned vile’?

I used to love Hadley, but she turned vile and started referring to all Corbyn supporters as cultists. Nothing wrong with wanting an honest politician who cares about ending poverty.

If executives are automatically powerful, then why say powerful?

Loads of white men telling her to shut up because they don’t like her “white feminism”

Meek male executive ? Never met one, do they exist? Meekness is not highly valued in the corporate world

ACO says: Going by track record, I’d feel safer in a bathroom w/ a trans woman than a powerful male executive any day of the week.

I don’t get how she’s differentiating the two here- what about a powerful transwoman and a meek male executive?

Jaysus, they’re really, really aggressive.

"Thus is why Im so concerned about a coming US war with Russia -- the neocons have always wanted it, and the liberal-left are full of bellicose demagoguery. They know absolutely nothing about Ukraine, but are ginning up war over it."

Really off topic, but I totally agree.

Thus is why Im so concerned about a coming US war with Russia -- the neocons have always wanted it, and the liberal-left are full of bellicose demagoguery. They know absolutely nothing about Ukraine, but are ginning up war over it.

Tell me more about it. I have the same fear. Mainstream media in Europe (staunchly pro-Nato no matter what) also try to reframe the narrative, Russia threat here, Russia threat there... Gorbachev's vision of a 'common house of Europe' long forgotten. When I heard Yatsenyuk (Vicky Nuland's 'our guy') had said on German TV the Russians had always been a threat, like back in the days of WWII when Russia attacked Germany I almost choked on my lunch (some of my ancestors were there, you know, and this is not what went down. Heck, one was sent to Russia, to 'defend (!) the German Reich'). And if you are antiwar, quickly, the media will say you sympathize with Putin and whatnot. There is a concerted effort on both sides of the Atlantic designed to push us into conflict, imo. And most of politics are part of it (including parts of the European Greens!).