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I've had a response

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GerryblewuptheER · 21/01/2019 13:10

From girl guiding. Please help.me word a reply

Thank you for your email.

Our E&D policy is based on the expectations set out in the Equality Act 2010. The policy was reviewed and agreed by our board of trustees and our chief commissioner group in 2016 and the guidance updated in 2017.

We have worked on our new updated guidance with Gendered Intelligence and Stonewall, and have been in dialogue with the EHRC. We have also sought legal advice and responded to questions from members and parents to make sure the guidance helps them as much as possible

The guidance that supports our volunteers to follow our E&D policy was written based on good practice and knowledge from specialist organisations that support charities like ours to look after our young trans members.However we have an annual policy review process where we look at all of our policies to check they are still fit for purpose and to update them if necessary

I hope that this answers your question.

Best wishes

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SeaRabbit · 08/02/2019 18:22

Gah yes you're right gently.

The point about them having personal liability should still stand, though, as it's not a corporate charity.

ChickenonaMug · 08/02/2019 18:08

Gerry I am still waiting for my reply from GG. I have chased today but there was no information on the record. I haven't had a single concern of mine answered yet and I have been emailing since early October and my last email was sent before Christmas. A bit upset and frustrated now considering how much personal experiences (as well as referencing legislation etc) I have drawn on to enable them to understand my very considerable concerns.

Gentlygently · 08/02/2019 10:10

It is only Feb 19. That can’t be late to file 2018 accounts. I think they have 10 months to file so due Oct 19?

SeaRabbit · 08/02/2019 08:08

I have a bit of knowledge of charities, and have been having a look on the Charity Commission website. The most recent GG accounts are for the year to 31 December 2017, which probably means the 2018 accounts are late, which is interesting, and may attract C Commission attention.

Also it's not a charitable limited company, also unusual these days, although it has slightly unusual status. I suspect though that if GG is not covered by insurance, the trustees themselves will be liable if (when) this all blows up. There is a company limited by guarantee, but that seems just to be a nominee for the Association, to hold its assets.

Has anyone contacted Charity Commission over their concerns? They won't want more Kids Company-alike publicity.

HumberElla · 07/02/2019 18:42

Well done for not letting this go.
Being ‘proud ‘ of their own equality and diversity approach, but at the same time being unwilling or unable to answer any questions about its implications or impact seems a very weak position to be in.
Any professional diversity advice they have received, we can only assume is also therefore wholly inadequate. At a very basic level, that advice and guidance has not equipped them to answer simple questions about safeguarding.
That confirms our fears, sadly. That GG has been left with a policy that they are unable to properly understand, manage or explain.

HumansCannotEverChangeSex · 07/02/2019 17:30

What a pathetic response. And to then refuse any future communications is quite similar to how the TRAs go about using twitter.

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GerryblewuptheER · 07/02/2019 17:17

I was going to cc in the Insurers, but as I named them in my email, and asked some clearly controversial questions I was worried it made the email come across as too aggressive and hinder my chances of getting a response at all.

Given the caroline , harry, shark, glinner thing I have to admit to having concerns aviy being on the receiving end of similar action if I sent too many emails about the same thing

I have however been keeping an eye on the gg Twitter and face book pages to see if they had responded to any of the points raised on there.

Sadly they refuse to acknowledge anyone who asks

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/02/2019 17:13

Is there no other way to get clarity on the questions raised?

Datun · 07/02/2019 16:56

They have to refuse to answer.

Because they are wrong.

Women and Girls in Scotland have identified that transgender guidance breaches 15 articles on the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/17393697.trans-guidance-for-scottish-schools-breaches-11-childrens-rights-campaigners-warn/?ref=ar

They've gone running to Stonewall for help, and Stonewall have said stall them, refuse to answer, stick your fingers in your ears.

The wheels are coming off.

Fantastically well done for not giving up. Did you write seperately to the insurers OP?

Melroses · 07/02/2019 16:56

You can't FOI a charity unfortunately

I expect they know this and they have good reasons for not saying anything, at least from a self-preservation viewpoint.

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GerryblewuptheER · 07/02/2019 16:45

Damn...

I know I was expecting a wishy washy usual response Kinda answer.

Never thought they would outright not address what happens to girls and refuse to talk any further ...

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ChickenonaMug · 07/02/2019 16:38

You can't FOI a charity unfortunately.

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GerryblewuptheER · 07/02/2019 16:13

It is isn't.

Literally refused to answer if they had thought about girls at all.

Is there any foi thing that allows us to see the Impact assessment?

Although someone else will have to ask as I'm now.black listed for asking about what happens when disabled children who need help with intimate care and now can't be sure they get a natal woman to do it...

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BlooperReel · 07/02/2019 14:37

I would chip in to a crowd funder too. What a shitty cop out of a response

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/02/2019 14:24

I’d be happy to contribute to a crowdfunder for a legal challenge too

ChickenonaMug · 07/02/2019 14:16

Hi Gerry and everyone. I have not had a response yet. I am quite horrified by the reply you had Gerry but I will await mine.

Melroses · 07/02/2019 13:43
Sad
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GerryblewuptheER · 07/02/2019 13:02

It's very familiar isn't it.

Asking questions. Have words like diversity and equality thrown around to make it look like you are the.problem then.blocked from further communication.

I'm.takimg the lack.of answers as a " no.we didn't take girls into account"

So there you have it

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MonicaBellucci · 07/02/2019 13:00

Also supportive of a crowdfund.

MonicaBellucci · 07/02/2019 13:00

FFS Sad

userschmoozer · 07/02/2019 12:59

If anyone wants to invoke the EA and take this further, please do crowdfund.

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GerryblewuptheER · 07/02/2019 12:52

Well here goes

They have told me what I need to know. Are proud of their equality and diversity although I may not agree with them.

Relevant precautions undertaken re insurance policies and they wont respond to any more emails

Not a single question answered re impact assessments, nor about the girls now excluded as their privacy dignity and safety can't be guaranteed , or the competing rights of protected characteristics such as disability and religion

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ChickenonaMug · 05/02/2019 00:52

Gerry I am more than happy to compare the responses we get.

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GerryblewuptheER · 04/02/2019 19:37

Thanks monica
Smile

I think we all know who we should really be thanking though The woman brave enough to put her job on the line and speak out to the papers! Flowers

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GerryblewuptheER · 04/02/2019 19:33

chicken if its ok with you we can compare responses. Via PM if need be?

Just to see of it's the same response which would indicate a pre approved statement as opposed to a genuine response ...

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