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Glinner invited on Primetime (Irish Newspanel show)

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Mumatoo · 20/01/2019 10:51

Without MaryZ to fly the flag this is going unnoticed on Mumsnet.

Graham Linehan was invited by RTE to take part in a panel on Trans issues. There are now petitions to have him removed.

gcn.ie/irish-public-complains-rtes-planned-inclusion-graham-linehan-irish-trans-law-debate/

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MotherForkinShirtBalls · 29/01/2019 20:42

Yeah, I read that piece by Una yesterday but couldn't be arsed to even post it here it was so predictable. I'd love to let her know that while Glinner doesn't speak for all lesbians, she doesn't speak for me or all women.

Ampersandcolon · 29/01/2019 18:52

What do people think about where the gender critical movement is? Do you think people are listening yet? I said to my husband I think we're in winter 1943, he answered, nah its winter 1942 :(

Annasgirl · 29/01/2019 14:05

So true. I’ve just liked all her posts and followed. And as for Una Mulally - such a disappointment but not even 1% surprised

RosaPalma · 29/01/2019 13:34

Camile Loftus on Twitter - hits nail firmly on the head:

twitter.com/CamilleLoftus/status/1089951563613900801

3timeslucky · 28/01/2019 14:16

HM (heymammy) is an Irish parenting site. Very small and the vast majority of posters are older mums (by which I mean with older kids), and migrated from other parenting sites. It should be comparable with mumsnet but isn't really given how small the country is and how small the membership is. I'm not sure that anyone ever feels truly anonymous posting. But that maybe isn't all bad either.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 27/01/2019 23:33

And apparently it's heymammy.com. I think that's me hoisted on someone's petard.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 27/01/2019 23:29

I think heymammy.ie and a typo Wink

Ampersandcolon · 27/01/2019 23:22

Whats HM and HN?

NorasBarnacle · 27/01/2019 02:46

I have long given up on the IT - total Wokesville there and has been for a long time.
But HM was a surprise this week. The site is very small in comparison to MN but it was clear on the thread about PT that the majority were questioning the rote transing of kids, especially many of the sensible long time posters. This was probably one of the most (very SUBTLE) gender-critical threads ever.
HN is too small and many women are identifiable in real life - it is very hard to 'come out' with a GC point of view, but I think Graham did his job - raised the profile of the issue and forced the woke Twitter mob to behave as expected. And they didn't disappoint.

pachyderm · 26/01/2019 22:51

The IT has been shite for a long time; a vacuous echo chamber of righteousness-wanking. There's very little depth or analysis.

That story about Connolly Station is awful and plausible, can't believe how anyone is minimising it. I am scared of using night trains and the security is really inadequate.

Annasgirl · 26/01/2019 20:27

So like the people in the UK who have ditched the Guardian I think this has peak IT’d me. Came home from friends house and did not go to shop to buy my own.

3timeslucky · 26/01/2019 16:52

The IT also "reviews" the Primetime programme in the Ticket. Crawley spectacularly misses the point.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 26/01/2019 16:16

mobile.twitter.com/sjanemurf/status/1089086652092420096

(Sorry, can’t do fancy links)

Woman gets followed into ladies’ loos in Connolly Station- obviously feels intimidated.

Some comments point out that this is the problem with Self ID that some people have been trying to highlight.

They’re told not to use this to excuse their transphobia.

The cognitive dissonance is just too much.

3timeslucky · 26/01/2019 15:51

I can't believe (except I can) that there's nothing in the IT article about the issues arising from self-ID. Totally vacuous piece. Not entirely surprising from J O'C. Depth of thought or analysis would not be common in her writing. Like you Annasgirl, wondering at merits of writing to paper, though not sure I can keep to something suitably letter lengthed.

Annasgirl · 26/01/2019 13:32

Out myself 🙄

Annasgirl · 26/01/2019 13:31

Sorry just saw you are all ahead of me. I’ve just seen it in a friend’s house and we are fuming.

Annasgirl · 26/01/2019 13:31

Whoever said Jennifer O’Connell was GC needs to read her Irish Times article today. I nearly tore it up. Think I might have to put myself now and write to the newspaper - although I’m not sure what it would be achieved.

Did you know that sex (not gender) can be assigned at birth??????

Oxytocindeficient · 26/01/2019 08:43

Oh I couldn’t read that stupid Irish Times article in full. As soon as I saw the c word, I’m out

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 26/01/2019 08:41

Irish Times today.

WunderBlah · 26/01/2019 00:08

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/trans-issues-show-provokes-protest-25j8dh7v6

Sorry can't do share token.

3timeslucky · 25/01/2019 19:53

Not a mention of PT on either rollercoaster or heymammy today. I think people are afraid to go there. There was a few very heated discussions a while ago so it feels like no-one wants to poke the hornets nest again.

FWIW it was mentioned on HM but with little enough commentary. I think the membership is so small that once posters' positions were made clear a while back few are bothering to re-visit. TBH there is a surprising lack of heat and concern when contrasted with the very heated debates that used to get generated about birth and baby-feeding choices ... we must be getting old and tired. Though there was a lot of heat and discussion about Repeal so maybe people just don't see why self-ID legislation matters. Which worries me.

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 19:51

Then he is an ignorant fool who has very little understanding of autism, or what ableism actually looks like.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 25/01/2019 19:46

Oxytocin Comerford has two preteen girls with ASD- iirc one is non verbal.

I appreciate this must make life very difficult for him in some respects, but he really does speak as if if he’s OK with Self ID as the father of vulnerable girls then that makes anyone else who isn’t a close-minded bigot.

nauticant · 25/01/2019 19:44

A wannabe Harrop. It's too depressing for words.

GCSocScientist · 25/01/2019 19:44

I see he is a writer, no offence to my GC writer sisters out there, but there are very few people who can make ends meet from writing alone.

I guess he is trying to market himself as an Irish Katie Hopkins? He’s almost there I reckon.. Ten more days of trolling and being an utter knob before his first paid for interview/invitation to write a column..?