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Gamer raises $100,000 (and rising) for trans charity Mermaids by playing Donkey Kong non-stop

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FeministFrequencyFan · 20/01/2019 01:56

"Tens of thousands of pounds has been raised for transgender charity Mermaids, thanks to a Twitch streamer playing Donkey Kong 64 for an entire day.

HBomberGuy (Harry Brewis), a popular UK-based content creator who has more than 300,000 subscribers on YouTube, came up with an unlikely way to raise money for the embattled transgender children’s charity, which recently had part of its lottery funding suspended after a campaign from anti-trans activists."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/19/mermaids-trans-donkey-kong-twitch/

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Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 10:00

Okay so that’s a threat to everyone here?

I’ll contact MN myself, but what constitutes harassment legally speaking?

nauticant · 22/01/2019 09:58

I also meant to add this as being relevant here:

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087364360593379329

nauticant · 22/01/2019 09:52

Gosh, they do seem to be rather aggressive:

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087628993732509698

Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 08:56

Surely the threats Emily Gorcenski is tweeting are classed as threats? Harassment?

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 08:47

Irish Times by Deirdre Falvey
'Graham Linehan: Trans activists ‘don’t realise the damage’ they do
Petition calls on RTÉ to drop the writer from ‘Prime Time’ report on transgender issues'

Graham Linehan has defended his views on transgender issues, in advance of an appearance on RTÉ’s Prime Time on Tuesday night.

An online campaign against the inclusion of the comedy writer in the Prime Time report has culminated in a petition to the broadcaster seeking his removal from the programme.

It reads: “We request that RTE reconsider their decision to air a segment featuring Father Ted creator, Graham Linehan on their upcoming Prime Time programme on trans issues in Ireland.

“Graham Linehan is not a medical expert and he is not transgender. He has frequently expressed transphobic views in public and has used his social media platform to denigrate transgender people.”

The station has said it “won’t be commenting on feedback received in advance of the programme transmission,” a spokesperson said yesterday. It says the report includes 10 contributors “representing a broad range of views” and examines “the exponential growth in the number of young people seeking to change gender, and the implications of the proposed new law allowing them to do so without their parents’ consent." (continues)

Linehan – an active Twitter user with 656,000 followers under his handle @Glinner – has tweeted extensively about transgender issues. While he has many supporters, his comments have opened him to online accusations of bigotry and transphobia.

Linehan outlines his view to The Irish Times: “I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial. My position is that anyone suffering from gender dysphoria, needs to be helped and supported.”

Linehan says he celebrates that trans people are at last finding acceptance: “That’s obviously wonderful.”

But, he says: “I disagree fundamentally with certain aspects of current activism. They don’t realise the damage done by certain outrageous claims.”

He “of course” agrees that gender dysphoria (defined as distress a person experiences as a result of the gender assigned to them at birth) is real, but has a problem with widening the definition of transgender.

He is sceptical of: “early affirmation” of transgender; self-identification of transgender; and “the actions of some activists, which will stop those genuinely needing help from getting it”.

“I’m afraid ultimately there will be a backlash, and it will be against LGB as well as T people.”

The award-winning Father Ted, Black Books, and The IT Crowd writer (who is currently co-writing a Father Ted musical) became involved in the issue after an episode of The IT Crowd in which Douglas Reynholm’s character unknowingly dates a woman who turns out to be transgender.

“I thought the episode was harmless. Though it could have been better,” Linehan says. After it aired, he was called a bigot on Twitter. Linehan distinguishes between the character, who is transphobic, and calling the episode, or himself, transphobic.

“Some people don’t see the problem repeating the dogma [THAT] trans women are women,” says Linehan, who has a problem with “privileged white people saying you must accept anyone who says they are a woman”.

“Some people have a seriously held belief that trans women are literally women. So if someone who identifies as a woman is attracted to a woman, they are considered a lesbian. There have been protests at pride parades in London and New Zealand, from lesbians who say this is affecting lesbians on the ground.”

Linehan says he is astonished the argument has got so far. “A lot of transgender people agree with me. I’m not transphobic. Because of this debate, I now have a number of friends who are trans, and they don’t agree with this dogma.”

He characterises some extreme trans activists who have “glommed on to the movement” as “a mixture of grifters, fetishists, and misogynists”. (There is no suggestion that those who petitioned RTÉ fall into these categories.)

“All it takes is a few bad people in positions of power to groom an organisation, and in this case a movement. This is a society-wide grooming.”

Regarding early transgender intervention for children he says: “Adults can do what they want,” but “it is dangerous to offer surgery and drugs therapy to young teenagers going through puberty who are gender non-conforming.

“There are lots of gender non-conforming children who may not be trans and may grow up to be gay adults, but who are being told by an extreme, misogynist ideology, that they were born in the wrong body, and anyone who disagrees with that diagnosis is a bigot.”

“It’s especially dangerous for teenage girls – the numbers referred to gender clinics have shot up – because society, in a million ways, is telling girls they are worthless. Of course they look for an escape hatch.”

“The normal experience of puberty is the first time we all experience gender dysphoria. It’s natural. But to tell confused kids who might every second be feeling uncomfortable in their own skin that they are trapped in the wrong body? It’s an obscenity. It’s like telling anorexic kids they need liposuction.”

“Not many people speak out about it, because people are terrified [of online abuse] and don’t want to get involved. I understand that. It’s hard to decide to subject yourself to [the attacks].”

Through talking about it on Twitter, he perceived that women were often shut down when trying to broach the subject. “Women would have the slur ‘terf’ [trans exclusionary radical feminist] spat at them by young men in beards.”

Linehan says he doesn’t regret speaking out. “I thought I was able to take it,” he says, though he admits that confidence was challenged when his wife was targeted online.

Undeterred, he will appear on Tuesday’s Prime Time at 9.35pm on RTÉ 1."
www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/graham-linehan-trans-activists-don-t-realise-the-damage-they-do-1.3765979?mode=amp

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 08:35

re Guardian article above, Tom Hawking is a freelance writer based in Melbourne

SmellsLikeAdultSpirit · 22/01/2019 07:45

I'm allergic to kiwis
They make my lips swell up. Cheaper than surgery I guess

AugustL · 22/01/2019 06:30

My thoughts are they think they are doing something good for trans kids and they don't know all the dodgy stuff about this particular charity/lobby group.

Or they are overlooking it, for some reason. I'm not going to pretend to understand people on "twitch" who play video games all day and enjoy watching other people playing video games.

KindOfAGeek · 22/01/2019 06:23

SignMeUp

Big time.

If Mermaids really wants to redefine women and bioengineer puberty, that's at least as big a job as building a wall to keep brown skinned Amerindians out of the US MidWest.

SignMeUp · 22/01/2019 04:35

kindofa geek Mermaids needs to up their game

KindOfAGeek · 22/01/2019 03:28

That conman has raised $18 million for Trump's wall.

That gamer is a slacker.

kutv.com/news/nation-world/gofundme-for-trumps-border-wall-tops-18m-before-2019

SignMeUp · 22/01/2019 03:12

Kiwis are SO good in smoothies! You don't need to peel them either.

Alexandria O-Cortez tweeting for Mermaids? I sent her an email, but I wonder if some 22 yr old intern will read it.-burn it- ?
For those in twitter: consider educating her on this subject? Thanks

SunsetBeetch · 22/01/2019 02:35

There is WAY more to that tragic story than is in that Daily Dot article. Chloe was clearly a very troubled person, had big fallings out with people in her social circle, obviously severe mental health problems, etc. All sorts going on. It's pretty disgusting to weaponise her suicide like that.

In the KF thread those quotes were pulled from, there are some truly disgusting comments, but also some compassionate ones.

Thanks for your concern, but our little lady brains can cope with getting and evaluating information from all sorts of sources without going over to the dark side. Facts and evidence are neutral, after all.

QuietContraryMary · 22/01/2019 01:00

I think it's obviously we should blame all suicides by all trans people on kiwi farms. Except when we need to blame them on feminists, or prison rules, or whatever other thing we want to complain about today.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 00:36

Yeah I'm a trans parent

Kiwis are you aware of the recent issues with discussing J Yaniv on social media and many women and parents' concerns about the risks Yaniv presents?

Kiwifarms was one of the only platforms to allow discussion.
Many from Mumsnet visited the site for this reason.

Miranda Yardley (who is transsexual) called out Yaniv who presents as a serious risk to both women and girls:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3460252-Miranda-Yardley-calls-out-the-predator

FloralBunting · 22/01/2019 00:36

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QuietContraryMary · 22/01/2019 00:15

I like kiwis in fruit smoothies. Has anyone tried that?

KiwisReallyAreYouSure · 22/01/2019 00:03

As I pointed out before that a trans woman died from self-immolation, and at least one person I think saw it and asked who, here is the link to the news report www.dailydot.com/irl/chloe-sagal-suicide-cyberbullying-harassment/

Apologies though, but I have no desire to become, in the parlance of the alt-right, "one of the good ones". Yeah I'm a trans parent and there's nothing you can do to stop me ;) enjoy your kiwis

PencilsInSpace · 21/01/2019 22:59

They're a bit obsessed with piss aren't they?

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/01/2019 22:13

I love the logic. ‘Mumsnet! Your users are supporting a site that doxes and targets individuals! Please ‘deal with’ the following named individual posters.’

One day someone will write a thesis on the linguistic and argumental reversal tactics of this lot.

R0wantrees · 21/01/2019 22:00

oh, now they're musing about going after the advertisers

Again?

April 2018 Times
'Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts: Transgender activists try to curb free speech on site'

(extract)
"The founder of Mumsnet says transgender “thought police” are pressurising advertisers to withdraw from Britain’s most popular parenting website because it allows the discussion of trans topics.

Justine Roberts said she had been approached by three significant advertisers who had been threatened by trans groups.

“Transgender activists have contacted Mumsnet advertisers and said they will be organising a boycott of their products if they don’t remove their advertising from Mumsnet,” Roberts said.

The website had told the advertisers that it “works hard to keep the discussions civil” and was determined to let them continue.

“What’s worrying to me is the thought-police action around speech and the shutting down of the right to be able to disagree and immediately labelling it as transphobic,” Roberts said. (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=b2eb62822dd26aecc0f88653978ed23a

Response from Mumsnet members:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3222471-AIBU-to-be-extremely-proud-of-Justine-Roberts-Mumsnet-right-now

goodthinking99 · 21/01/2019 22:00

Aagghhh typing fail 'get that we're here...'

goodthinking99 · 21/01/2019 21:59

Aagghhh typing fail 'get that we're here in number...'

goodthinking99 · 21/01/2019 21:56

Why can those on twitter not get thawer in number discussing things in a fairly reasonable fashion precisely because this is one of the only places on line that you can say 'hang on a minute...has anyone considered the unintended (ok, ok, I'm being generous) consequences on women, girls and children?'. And I say this as a long time leftie MNer who came for advice on a colicky baby and stayed for the humour and sharp thinking. I can't believe I'm alone in this.