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2020 Democratic presidential candidates’ positions on sex-based rights

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GrinitchSpinach · 19/01/2019 15:37

As the 2020 election circus gets underway (God help us) I wanted to make a thread to collect information on the declared or potential candidates’ positions on sex-based rights.

I am very concerned that uncritical support for the erasure of sex-based rights may have become the new Democratic orthodoxy while no one was paying much attention, and that this will be wielded as an effective wedge by the GOP to divide the left and center just when our entire democracy needs urgently to focus on expelling Trump and his enablers.

I hope it’s ok to put this here. There are other more US-heavy forums, but Mumsnet feels like my spiritual home, and I know there are at least a few other Americans here. Grin

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BelleHathor · 16/05/2019 19:29

Hope that someone is fined in NY and sues. This has first amendment implications and is akin to compelled speech. At least the USA has the first amendment and ironically by Trump being elected the Supreme court has a conservative majority who at least know what sex is.

GrinitchSpinach · 16/05/2019 18:57

Sigh. Here we go again:

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio

Today’s guidance lists several ways employers, landlords, and business owners could violate the Law on the basis of gender identity and expression, including:

Intentionally failing to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.” when she has made it clear that she prefers female pronouns and a female title.
Refusing to allow individuals to use single-sex facilities, such as bathrooms or locker rooms, and participate in single-sex programs, consistent with their gender identity. For example, barring a transgender woman from a women’s restroom out of concern that she will make others uncomfortable.
Enforcing dress codes, uniforms, and grooming standards that impose different requirements based on sex or gender. For example, enforcing a policy that requires men to wear ties or women to wear skirts.
Failing to providing employee health benefits that cover gender-affirming care or failing to provide reasonable accommodations for individuals undergoing gender transition, including medical appointments and recovery, where such reasonable accommodations are provided to other employees. (Federal and New York laws already require certain types of insurance to cover medically-necessary transition-related care.)
Violations of the New York City Human Rights Law could result in civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct. There is no limit to the amount of compensatory damages the Commission may award to a victim of discrimination.
www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/961-15/nyc-commission-human-rights-strong-protections-city-s-transgender-gender

www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/501-18/mayor-de-blasio-signs-historic-legislation-adding-third-gender-category-birth-certificates#/0

twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/834905472008339456 (supportive retweet of city public schools guidelines allowing student self-ID for bathroom/changing facilities)

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StopThePlanet · 25/04/2019 20:44

Like I said basically on the Biden thread I can't bring myself to vote for someone who's willing to erase my sex-based rights (i.e. TWAW).

I do not think voting for someone that believes TWAW is a good move when zero risk assessment has been carried out. I think Dem candidates that tow the TWAW line have an irresponsible and ignorant perspective on gender identity and its implications.

It blows my mind that some voices are ignored when they don't tow the line of the left even in the face of voting for TWAW declared politicians; how can feminists willfully disregard that a politician declaring TWAW poses significant danger to our sex-based rights? Dem politicians towing the TWAW line don't give a fuck about you any more than the Rep politicians do. Dems/Reps are more interested in image and appealing to their base and gaining new votes than serving the citizens. They both are willing to sell women and girls out for power along the path.

We have some Dem candidates in front of us that could be good (impressive even) if we can get them to see the light and denounce TWAW or at the very least acknowledge and promise to act to protect sex as a protected class.

I am currently drafting letters to our '20 Dem candidates. Regardless of who I like for the race and who I don't I'm more than willing to participate in getting all of them to see the light.

GrinitchSpinach · 25/04/2019 16:20

Lots of catching up to do here, sorry I have been negligent (DH and I are trying to buy a house and it's been madness!)

Today's big news is the announcement by

former Vice-President Joe Biden.

The Biden Foundation has made the promotion of gender ideology a top priority, launching the "Advancing Acceptance" campaign with the Movement Advancement Project and Gender Spectrum.

"Founded in 2006, the Movement Advancement Project (MAP) is an independent, nonprofit think tank that provides rigorous research, insight and communications that help speed equality and opportunity for all."

Gender Spectrum "provide[s] an array of services designed to help families, schools, professionals, and organizations understand and address concepts of Gender identity and expression." Diane Ehrensaft (she who claims that a toddler tearing barrettes from her hair is making a statement about her gender identity) sits on the board of directors.

In addition, Biden counts as a family friend Sarah McBride, the National Press Secretary for the Human Rights Campaign, a major player in pushing the Equality Act and other gender identity legislation in the US. (Some will remember the harsh criticism Posie Parker and Julia Long received for confronting McBride after a meeting in Congress).

Representative Eric Swalwell (CA-15)

From his House site:

Everyone should be treated equally under the law. Love is love and I’m thrilled the Supreme Court agrees. We should all have the same chance to live up to our given potential. Discrimination based on race, creed, color, national origin, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or gender identity simply has no place in modern society, and we must do all we can to stamp it out.

What I am Doing for You

I'm an original cosponsor of H.R. 2282, the Equality Act, a bipartisan bill that would ensure the same protections already extended to other protected classes are equally available to LGBT Americans. It would amend existing federal civil rights laws to explicitly prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity in education, employment, housing, credit, Federal jury service, public accommodations, and the use of Federal funds.

I’m an original cosponsor of H.R. 5374, the Student Non-Discrimination Act, to prohibit discrimination based on actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity in public schools, protect students from intimidation and violence, and create learning environments in which each and every child can learn and thrive. (I co-sponsored this as H.R. 846 in the 114th Congress.)

Representative Tim Ryan (OH-13)

From his House site:

Although we now have marriage equality, there is still institutionalized discrimination against LGBTQ individuals in public accommodations, housing, employment, and other core areas of daily life. That is why I am an original cosponsor of the Equality Act, which bars discrimination against LGBTQ Americans in public accommodations, education, federal financial assistance, employment, housing, credit, and federal jury service.

Representative Seth Moulton (MA-6)

From his House site:

As a member of the Equality Caucus, I am working with colleagues to implement reforms that would ensure greater equality in our schools and in the workplace. I recently joined several of my colleagues in writing a letter to Secretary of Education Arne Duncan that commends the Department of Education for its work to address the bullying of LGBT youth while encouraging the agency to issue a final guidance outlining the obligations to protect LGBT students from discrimination.

OK I think I've covered it! With a field this crowded, though, some minor players may slip through the cracks. Sorry. Grin

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BickerinBrattle · 15/03/2019 18:35

I'm feeling more and more certain that thanks to American third wave feminism and postmodernism, women in the US are going to lose everything Second Wavers fought for.

Already even Ocasio-Cortez speaks of an economy without actual employment, so many are going to lose jobs to automation. This is supposed to be a wonderful thing, freeing people up for creative work, etc. But what it actually does is remove people from having any say in the social relations around the processes that actually shape society all that will be decided by corporate execs while everyone else is paid pittances to go off and live their "creative lives." Or just to smoke legal weed while binge-watching Netflix either way, away from the places of decision-making.

Well, we all know who loses jobs when there aren't enough to go around, and who loses voice when only so many voices are permitted platforms.

I believe this is why "sex work is work" is being shoved down our throats. Women, in the coming scarcity, will have two options, both of which depend on getting money from men. It's Gilead, but from the left it coming without the Christian fundamentalists, who are also pushing their version from the right -- in their version, falling white birth rates are global calamity and white women must be yoked to childbirth.

Postmodernism has erased all politics. No one on the left knows any damn thing about political or economic theory. There's atually no political theory of governance at work here at all. Only reactive reponse to changing circumstance, and work to position a response that can be sold. That's why it's all, one way or the other, reactionary.

Democracy, in the old-fashioned sense of the word rising from the Greek "demos", it ain't.

GrinitchSpinach · 15/03/2019 14:35

Just realized I left out Hickenlooper (afraid that reveals my bias as to his chances!) Oops.

Governor John Hickenlooper of Colorado:

"If my public support for trans individuals being able to have every right, every privilege, every access, if that provokes so much response, it’s a reflection of how vicious and accusatory the world is to people who are different.
www.outfrontmagazine.com/inthemag/a-legacy-of-inclusivity-gov-hickenlooper-gets-an-ally-award/

RedToothBrush I think you are right about this issue depressing some potential voters. It is worrisome.

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 23:19

The cultural war raging in the US atm means no democratic candidate will have anything other than a woke mantra declaring their credentials of having a 'liberal identity' in order to win the Dem nomination. It's competitive wokeness.

Ironically the way to the white House probably lies with being more gender critical as those with a Liberal identity will always vote Dem but someone who is able to add nuance and understand critical voices of more conservative 'soccer moms' will win more votes in more crucial states.

And therein lies the problem for the democratic party.

They will select someone who appeals to their own but won't connect with more moderates. And the trans stuff will actively alienate or depress some potential voters.

GrinitchSpinach · 14/03/2019 22:55

Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana.

www.out.com/news/2019/3/12/pete-buttigieg-calls-war-trans-americans-end

Pete Buttigieg has once again called on federal lawmakers to pass the Equality Act.

Speaking at one of the back-to-back town halls CNN organized at the South by Southwest festival in Austin on Sunday, the South Bend, Indiana mayor-turned-Democratic presidential hopeful reaffirmed his support for the Equality Act, which, if passed by Congress and signed into law, would extend existing federal nondiscrimination protections for women and people of color to LGBTQ+ people, as well. He also spoke out against what he calls “the war on trans Americans” that terrorizes trans children, even in their own schools.

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GrinitchSpinach · 14/03/2019 22:53

Governor Jay Inslee of Washington state.

www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/statement-inslee-trump-administration-removing-protections-transgender-students

www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gov-jay-inslee-signs-ban-on-sexual-orientation-conversion-therapy/

Washington is one of the wokest states, and Inslee has been all aboard for banning "conversion therapy" for "trans kids" i.e. making it illegal for therapists to ask questions about trauma, homosexuality, and other possible causes for cross-gender identification in children.

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GrinitchSpinach · 14/03/2019 22:45

Representative Beto O'Rourke of El Paso, TX.

Senate Candidate Beto O’Rourke received thunderous applause for his answer poised by a trans youth during the packed Dallas town hall held on March 29th.

Beto answered by specifically condemning SB6, one of many transgender bathroom bills introduced in 2017 by Republican Texas extremists targeting the most vulnerable, transgender children.
planettransgender.com/beto-orourke-tdov/?cn-reloaded=1

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TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 19/02/2019 23:15

Feel sorry for the feminists of America who might have to join the MAGA gang to protect their sex-based rights but it's the only way.

Like my sex based right to abortion? or to not have my pussy grabbed by strangers, or my children shot at school? And I'm white. So I don't get to deal with all of that PLUS a racist administration and biased police force.

So no, thank you, will never vote Trump . The dems are playing by the same wanky side as all the "progressive" parties in the UK but the difference is as far as I know we still haven't had to deal with a Karen White situation.

GrinitchSpinach · 19/02/2019 13:20

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont (declared):

Co-sponsor of the Equality Act. Had this to tweet when Trump administration reverted to original interpretation of "sex" in Title IX to mean "sex" rather than "gender identity":

2020 Democratic presidential candidates’ positions on sex-based rights
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GrinitchSpinach · 19/02/2019 13:18

We are lost here, lost. It's a horrible position to be in
Agreed, Oldermum. It is really bleak.

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Oldermum156 · 18/02/2019 23:17

"No Democratic candidate is going to break ranks on this."

^ We are lost here, lost. It's a horrible position to be in. You have the Democrats, who bow and scrape to the trans, and the Republicans, who just straight up hate women.

GrinitchSpinach · 17/02/2019 13:24

More info on what Gillibrand said:

www.cbsnews.com/news/kirsten-gillibrand-2020-democratic-contender-backs-third-gender-classification-at-federal-level/

So the question was about birth certificates as well as driver's licenses, and the X would replace birth sex notation rather than supplement it.

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GrinitchSpinach · 17/02/2019 13:20

SignMeUp I like Warren and think she is more sincere than most politicians. However she has very much swallowed the transactivist line that genderism is "the right side of history."

I think she feels very guilty for having dealt with the Native American heritage stuff in the wrong way in the past, and is determined to listen to others to find out what the "right way" is on this issue. Too bad, since she does actually have experience of living in our society as a woman (but not as a Native American), and as a reportedly brilliant law professor should be able to see the consequences of eliminating women and girls as a sex class for civil rights under the law.

T news sources were somewhat disappointed in Harris' response to their recent questions on gender identity ideology. I think she is most likely to try to walk the line between not pissing them off and not making their demands a priority. (Of course this won't work; they are professionally pissed-off, but this hasn't yet played out in the real national spotlight).

I never understood why Biden was so popular with many Dems. I was just a kid during the Thomas hearings and I still remember how awful he was to Anita Hill. Add in all the photos of him touching women who are clearly uncomfortable, and the general sort of slick politician manner...he would be near the bottom of my list. Shudder.

Looks like Pete Buttigieg will announce this week. He is gay and 37 and seems to be a fully onboard with current genderist orthodoxy.

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BettyDuMonde · 17/02/2019 13:10

I wouldn’t object to ‘x’ as long as birth sex was also recorded for all statistical records (especially crime) and it didn’t allow XY people access to spaces for xx people.

GrinitchSpinach · 17/02/2019 13:06

Gillibrand going all in for genderism:

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) reportedly said she would support for federal recognition of a third gender Friday at a campaign event in New Hampshire.

The senator, who is running for president in 2020, told a room of LGBTQ activists that she would support a third designation of "X" at the federal level for those not identifying as a man or woman, according to CBS News.

"Yes," Gillibrand said when asked if she would support such a designation at the federal level, according to CBS, which noted that she received applause from activists for her quick answer.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gillibrand-backs-federal-classification-of-third-gender-report/ar-BBTGOY8?ocid=spartanntp

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SignMeUp · 16/02/2019 22:58

I have also come to the sad conclusion that none of the dems will TRANS/gress. Who are the candidates who will do the least harm?

Certainly NOT Joe Biden. His foundation is now in collaboration with "Gender Spectrum". Doesn't he have a lesbian daughter? Too stupid to read the fine print probably.

I think the US is ready for a lesbian like Sharice Davids to run as vice prez. twitter.com/RepDavids
She'll be reading the fine print. She's keeping a very low profile and doing her job for Kansas. She's also a kick-boxing champ and wears comfortable clothes (sorry)

I also have a fair amount of trust in Elizabeth Warren

So Warren/Davids ticket?

GrinitchSpinach · 10/02/2019 21:34

Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota (declared):

A leader for LGBTQ equality in the U.S. Senate, Senator Klobuchar is an original cosponsor of the Equality Act, crucial federal legislation that would finally guarantee explicit, permanent protections for LGBTQ people under our nation's existing civil rights laws. She also recently spoke out against the Trump-Pence discriminatory ban on transgender troops.

www.hrc.org/blog/hrc-endorses-mn-senator-amy-klobuchar-for-re-election

Original cosponsor, eh?

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GrinitchSpinach · 07/02/2019 21:34

Sorry SMU, I must have misread. Can't go back to check now.

On topic, it looks like Amy Klobuchar is going to announce this weekend. I almost hesitate to go looking for what she's said on the topic. It's getting depressing to see candidate after candidate embrace gender identity ideology blithely, without regard to the effect on female people [and Monitors, I include female people who identify as trans in that number.]

Have we covered Ilhan Omar's thing this week yet? I'll have to go search.

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SignMeUp · 07/02/2019 20:51

Just getting back to this to clarify. I did not call AOC a "dumba...".

I was referring to the tweet by a trans...woman who called her a congress...woman. The correct term is Congresswoman. I thought it was ironic, given the policing of language amongst this crew.

I think it said" that's Congresswoman, (comma) dumba.."

I did not call her a name, but I asked MN to delete the bad word. They said they could only delete the whole post.
Now, back to the issue. Sorry for the derail

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/02/2019 16:48

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Inbox: Kirsten Gillibrand invites decorated transgender Navy lieutenant commander to State of the Union address after Supreme Court allows Pres. Trump's transgender military service ban to go into effect; Senator ready to introduce new legislation to protect transgender troops.

Caucho · 03/02/2019 01:18

Fair enough Grinch. I thought you were having a go at me. I have nothing against Cortez personally and it’s low if she’s attacked in that manner. I do disagree which much of her politics though and criticism seems to be off limits on the left which is worrying. She has obviously gets shit from republicans and Fox News but seems to be immune. I won’t personally criticise her. Don’t know her after all but absolutely reserve the right to disagree and take the piss out of anything she says in a political context. All politicians make a decision to be in the public eye and she doesn’t seem to refrain from telling people what to think. Massive media junkie but then that’s politics

GrinitchSpinach · 03/02/2019 00:34

Thanks, SignMeUp! I appreciate that.

Caucho it was SMU's characterization of AOC as a "Congresswoman dumbass" to which I objected.

It doesn't matter in the end because it's not on-topic. If you would like to create a thread about AOC or Hillary or Bill Clinton, I encourage you to do so. None of them is running for president in 2020.

I’m a bloke. Shouldn’t be so invested as it doesn’t impact me much in reality. Men have kids though. They have daughters. I don’t currently but still horrified about the state of affairs.
DH and I do have young daughters, so this stuff is very personal for me. I am glad to see men taking an interest. Everyone's mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters will be affected by the proposed legislation in both the UK and the US.

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