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Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

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stumbledin · 19/01/2019 00:57

Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/01/2019 22:08

Extract from the report from FullFact re impact of austerity on women:

The EHRC also shows that the relative impact on men and women varies according to income level. By dividing the country into ten income “deciles” (with 1 being the lowest 10% of earners, and 10 being the highest-earning 10%), the smallest difference in impact is among the lowest 10% of earners (an average loss of just over £800 per year for men and around £1,000 for women).

The biggest gap is in decile 7 (a loss of around £220 for men, and around £740 for women). Men toward the top end in deciles 8 and 9 are typically no worse off, and men in decile 10 have gained an average of just under £200 a year. Women in deciles 8 and 9 are an average of £400 worse off, and typically £500 worse off in decile 10.

The report argues that “the result that women experience larger losses than men is mainly driven by the fact that women receive a much larger proportion of benefits and tax credits than men” and that since 2010 “the largest negative impact on incomes is as a result of cuts to benefits”....

The report also picks out a number of other groups, beyond women, who are particularly affected by tax and benefit changes. Ethnic minority households, households containing someone with a disability, lone-parent families, and families with three or more children are all picked out as “significantly adversely impacted”.

terfing · 19/01/2019 22:02

How did Munroe's speech go? Anyone know where I can find it?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/01/2019 21:59

Thx Mouse - The House of Commons Library estimates that, looking at all changes to taxes and benefits from 2010-2017, 86% of the reduction in government spending is in spending on women. This is based on which person in a household receives a benefit or is taxed, so doesn’t factor in the “indirect” impact on partners and household budgets.

No wonder the political, media and business class want to do away with women - we don't have enough money to spend to be of any interest to them/s

merrymouse · 19/01/2019 21:51

fullfact.org/economy/austerity-women/

Women are more adversely affected by austerity because they are more likely to claim benefits related to caring responsibilities. Nobody is going to solve that problem with sparkles and slogans.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/01/2019 21:43

sounded like eggshells were being trodden on, and elephants avoided in order to not talk about who we mean by women.

Yes don't you dare focus on women as the Pink Woke will object and rewrite the script so as to be inclusive/s

Angryresister · 19/01/2019 21:40

Heard an interview on a recent Womans Hour talking about the Women's marches internationally. They're was talk about anti semitism but the discussion with whoever the London rep was, was a bit strange...sounded like eggshells were being trodden on, and elephants avoided in order to not talk about who we mean by women.

Ereshkigal · 19/01/2019 20:49

Further, each year, thousands of women and girls, particularly women of colour, migrants and transgender women and girls, are kidnapped, trafficked, or murdered.

MTF trans make up a minuscule proportion of that.

Ereshkigal · 19/01/2019 20:45

I’m very struck by how much of what passes for left these days wants a politics without actual politics. They just want to be right. And to be seen to be right, and in their rightness, convert others to rightness.It’s all a moral crusade, not a politics. There’s no actual engagement with power.

So true.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 20:43

I'm confused. I thought the march was today but the Guardian says it was yesterday

I think it may be an article written for tomorrow's Observer.

borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 20:39

Oh yes, another thing that put me off was the WEP.

2rebecca · 19/01/2019 20:38

I'm confused. I thought the march was today but the Guardian says it was yesterday. I still don't get what roses have to do with anything. They aren't an essential and just make it sound as though women are sulking because they haven't received enough bouquets.

adultFemaleElf · 19/01/2019 20:20

That march sounds like a load of old bollox. Quite literally.

merrymouse · 19/01/2019 19:32

According to the Conservatives austerity has ended, so that’s that then.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 19:23

From the Evening Standard article linked above:

"The leader of Women’s Equality UK Sophie Walker addressed the crowds.

“Patriarchy doesn’t just take women for granted, it relies on our oppression to ensure others thrive,” she said."

the others being.... males?

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 19:15

Observer: 'Hundreds join London Women's March to protest austerity'
(extract)
"Propelled by a mass public rendition of Sisters Are Doin’ It for Themselves and accompanied by a thudding police helicopter overhead, hundreds of protesters rallied in central London on Saturday in solidarity with an estimated 89 Women’s Marches worldwide.

“Today is about improving the living and working conditions of women”, said organiser Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, a lawyer and activist. “On the ground and in the data, it is proven that austerity is disproportionately affecting women, especially vulnerable women. Brexit has stolen from us.”

Themed as the bread and roses march, in homage to the 1912 strike that revolutionised working women’s rights, the London chapter closed down the length of Regent Street, roared through Piccadilly Circus and on to Trafalgar Square to hear a coalition of speakers from the Fawcett Society, Solace Women’s Aid and the Women’s Equality Party." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/19/womens-march-london-against-austerity-protesters-worldwide

womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/01/2019 19:15

How it's headlined outs the wokeness of the publication -

Guardian: Women’s March 2019: thousands around the world march to demand gender equality

Evening Standard: Women's March London 2019: Thousands join global march in capital to campaign for women's rights

Guiding principles. It's gone from being women-centred to women saving everyone and every issue:

The Women's March on London is a women-led movement that brought together people of all genders, ages, races, cultures, political affiliations and backgrounds on January 21, 2017, to affirm our shared humanity and pronounce our bold message of resistance and self-determination.

In other words, it's been queered and is not about women anymore.
Below are some extracts from the Guiding Principles linked to above. in no particular order - it's all woke, libfem, gender centred and frankly garbled - could easily be dismissed as hot air as it covers so many, many issues:

We believe Gender Justice is Racial Justice is Economic Justice. We must create a society in which all women — including Black women, working class women, young women, disabled women, immigrant women, incarcerated women, Muslim women, Jewish women, lesbian, queer and trans women—are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments.

Further, each year, thousands of women and girls, particularly women of colour, migrants and transgender women and girls, are kidnapped, trafficked, or murdered.

we stand in solidarity with the sex workers’ rights movement

burden of care falls disproportionately on the shoulders of women, particularly women of colour.

We must end the pay and hiring discrimination that women, particularly mothers, women of color, lesbian, queer and trans women still face each day in our country.

We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming sisters, brothers and siblings. This includes access to non-judgmental, comprehensive healthcare with no exceptions or limitations; access to name and gender changes on identity documents; full antidiscrimination protections; access to education, employment, housing and benefits; and an end to police and state violence.

We believe in Gender Justice. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes. We must break down the narrow standards of respectable Black womanhood and femininity deemed acceptable.

Notice this name: Phyll Opoku-Gyimah, Co-founder, trustee and executive director of UK Black Pride in included as one of the people named for shaping the text for the Women's March - a Stonewall Trustee. I also imagine someone like Ogilvy Pride UK has done the woke marketing and PR.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 19:00

Munroe Bergdorf:
"What an absolute honour to lead today's @ womensmarchlon and speak at Trafalgar Square. Days like today are a reminder that we are so much stronger together."

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1086694394814713858

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 18:54

Glad I stayed at home

Callmejudith · 19/01/2019 18:50

Look who is front and centre

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 18:34

Munroe whoops

borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 18:33

I watched the original women’s marches after Trump’s inauguration huddled in a blanket on a holiday abroad that suddenly turned very cold, with only CNN on the TV. They were an inspiration.
I saw this march was on and thought I’d go. Then I saw Monroe Whatsitsface was a speaker. Stayed at home and baked instead.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think a lot of this is deliberate, aiming to silence women politically.

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R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 18:05

Gordon Bennet the sheer naivety and obliviousness to the obvious. It's like being stuck in a never ending school lunchtime with year 9.

Knicknack You are so right... perpetual year 9's!

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