Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

The terminology is ever shifting - the space added to transwoman is to allow TW to be a category of woman & then brings in the whole 'cis' nonsense as though women are a category of women - it's now shifted to 'woman with a trans history' as the push is now that the end point of transition is for that individual to 'become female' as described in the fucked up definition of 'woman' in the Gender Equal Representation on Public Boards bill that was sneaked in without any consultation with women. A man can 'become female' by the power of self declaration alone & the whole thing is fucked up.

TRAs would insist that one use a space so that trans is to women as tall, rich, old etc usually along with an explanation that all women have different lived experiences etc etc

MN do not insist on the space.

I use transwomen.

I saw that too. It was bizarre.

They weren't inclusive of women whom they termed 'so-called feminsists' and asked questions of their policy.
Much blocking & I wondered if they might know the pub in Macclesfield that banned a woman for wearing a T shirt.

It wasn't clear if these exclusions woud apply to their stock, customers or just twiter followers.
Its fair to say the majority of the canon of women's writing and female authors understand woman to be an adult human female.
(Second Shelf books London?)

"Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome"
Sentences like this make me want to get a red pen out.
"Bread and Roses is for all people & we hope that everyone feels safe and welcome"

On Twitter, there was a thread about a womens' bookshop that announced it was 'trans-inclusive' and wanted to be a 'safe place' for all trans people.
Err, they're a shop. So they should be customer-inclusive and providing a 'safe space' for everyone, surely? In other words "All Welcome!"

Not only the women that you know but complete strangers

Unless presumably they are a Terf or a Tory or somebody wanting to discuss anti-semitism, in which case you can just call them scum.

I think concepts of 'comradeship' and 'sisterhood' can easily be perverted so that anybody on the same 'team' has to be protected, regardless of their behaviour and everybody outside the tent is irrelevant.

'Inclusivity' becomes almost meaningless. Linda Bellos and Julie Bindel are out because they don't follow the party line while JC is 'in' despite being straight, white, male and middle class because he talks vaguely about being an ally.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/03/far-left-no-place-feminists-rape

The song they sang was written by James Oppenheim. His wife divorced him when he wrote a book called Idle Wives.

How feminist!

Baby girl. Wtaf
So much wrong with that

Most Twitter comments not at all impressed by MB's 'baby girl' claim. No surprise but glad people are saying so.

"Woko Haram", though I need to be pedantic for a moment: "haram" means "forbidden".

Quite apt in an era where the woke try to forbid women from talking about their sexed bodies, or even displaying the definition of 'woman'

I’m very struck by how much of what passes for left these days wants a politics without actual politics. They just want to be right. And to be seen to be right, and in their rightness, convert others to rightness.It’s all a moral crusade, not a politics. There’s no actual engagement with power.

Very perceptive.

And I love the term "Woko Haram", though I need to be pedantic for a moment: "haram" means "forbidden". (Yes, I know that it has various interpretations but the root h-r-m refers to something that is forbidden, like a harem).

Ahem. As you were.

WTF IS a gleepglorp, WTFisagleepglorp?

Gleepglorp, even.

It's not mine.

I copied it and failed to get authorisation.

I'm a bad gleepgloop. 😢

Carers. Fuck autocorrect.

Women are more adversely affected by austerity because they are more likely to claim benefits related to caring responsibilities. Nobody is going to solve that problem with sparkles and slogans.

I’d be fascinated to know what proportion of transwomen are caters. They seem pretty much focused on themselves.

WTFIsaGleepglorp

You do realise I'm going to have to nick 'Woko Haram' and claim it as my own?

Hearts starve as well as bodies, give us bread and roses too.

I'm guessing the Woko Haram are stylin' the Pride movie.

Check the lyrics.

We're so nurturing. So warm and womanly......

James Oppenheimer wrote the music.

As we go marching, marching, in the beauty of the day
A million darkened kitchens, a thousand mill lofts gray
Are touched with all the radiance that a sudden sun discloses
For the people hear us singing, bread and roses, bread and roses.

As we come marching, marching, we battle too, for men,
For they are in the struggle and together we shall win.
Our days shall not be sweated from birth until life closes,
Hearts starve as well as bodies, give us bread, but give us roses.

As we come marching, marching, un-numbered women dead
Go crying through our singing their ancient call for bread,
Small art and love and beauty their trudging spirits knew
Yes, it is bread we. fight for, but we fight for roses, too.

As we go marching, marching, we're standing proud and tall.
The rising of the women means the rising of us all.
No more the drudge and idler, ten that toil where one reposes,
But a sharing of life's glories, bread and roses, bread and roses.

Monroe always look so bloody smug.

When I saw ‘roses’ capitalised, I briefly thought it referred to Roses chocolates.

Hang on..??

"free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments."

Again, because I'm not sure I believe what I'm reading... Wtf?

free and able to care for and nurture their families

That's what women are for? That's what the women's march is about?

So progressive, much woke.

I’m very struck by how much of what passes for left these days wants a politics without actual politics. They just want to be right. And to be seen to be right, and in their rightness, convert others to rightness.It’s all a moral crusade, not a politics. There’s no actual engagement with power.

It’s just a lefty march about every ism under the sun and new ones you’re not yet aware of. Don’t think it has anything to do with women’s rights at all and was started as political thing against Trump before he even took office.

It's more intersectional than spaghetti junction.
We need to focus on one thing at a time, intersectionality is just complicating and complicating so the momentum (small m) is lost.
If we were only to follow those with identical politics to ourselves we wouldn't follow anyone, and wouldn't go anywhere.

Repeat after me: TWAW

Munroe Bergdorf
'I want you all to all hands. I want us all to promise that we'll be there for each other. Not just the women that you know but the women that you dont. Not only the women that you know but complete strangers"

I want you to repeat after me, 'I stand by you my sister'
(twice)

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1086696475168591872

It’s just a lefty march about every ism under the sun and new ones you’re not yet aware of. Don’t think it has anything to do with women’s rights at all and was started as political thing against Trump before he even took office.

As people have said there is very nasty elements regarding the founders but most people won’t be aware so not saying they agree with them. It’s just a good day out protesting about what? Doesn’t matter for the majority - it’s cool man. Great pictures for Facebook