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Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

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stumbledin · 19/01/2019 00:57

Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

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Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 21:47

Sorry, 29

Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 21:45

My mum, who has no problem being included in things about menstruation as a woman, despite having a hysterectomy for cervical cancer at the age of 30, has a problem with this bullshit.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/01/2019 21:16

It's the nails scraping down a blackboard of terms, and I say that as a woman who does in fact menstruate.

zzzzz · 20/01/2019 21:15

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Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 20:34

Also, as the "Women's" March, why would they be associating menstruating with womanhood? Munroe will have words.

MargueritaPink · 20/01/2019 20:22

Joan Vickers was born in 1907 and Freda Corbett (one of the few female Labour MPs) in 1900.

Janet Fookes (another Conservative) was probably the youngest at 37 after Bernadette Devlin.

MargueritaPink · 20/01/2019 20:15

Constance Marks and Betty Harvie Anderson were ex-menstruators in that Parliament both being early 60s.

Bernadette Devlin and Shirley Williams were young enough to be menstruators.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/01/2019 20:11

RE the tweet of maximum wokeness, given the age of the average parliamentarian, were there really 26 "menstruators"?

You could have avoided this problem by using the word "woman", which doesn't define us by the specific point in our lifecycle we're at. This has been today's edition of How To Communicate Clearly.

merrymouse · 20/01/2019 20:06

I did a quick check using info on Wikipedia - as far as I can see most of them were over 50 and I can only find a couple under 40. Also most seem to be Tories so it seems not at all the kind of woman approved of by the Women's March! Wink

userschmoozer · 20/01/2019 19:53

I thought 'menstruators' referred to women who are currently menstruating. As in, having ''a woman's period'' as Rimmer would say.

MargueritaPink · 20/01/2019 19:46

Margaret Hornsby-Smith also in that Parliament was 59. Do ex- menstruators count?

MargueritaPink · 20/01/2019 19:35

Barbara Castle was 63. Margaret Thatcher was only 48 but my periods had stopped at that age.

Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 19:33

I was just thinking exactly the same thing. They are just using it as a dehumanising shorthand for female/woman. Tut tut.

merrymouse · 20/01/2019 19:25

"In 1973 there were 23 menstruators in parliament."

So on the one hand 'menstruator' is just supposed to be an accurate way of describing people who menstruate. Why would we possibly want to acknowledge that only women menstruate, bear children, go through menopause etc and that this has an impact on women's rights.

On the other Irene Ward MP was 78 in 1973 Confused.

Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 19:19

Ugh to both the last.

LangCleg · 20/01/2019 19:05

Christ on a bike. Peter Tatchell went.

OrchidInTheSun · 20/01/2019 18:50

X-posted BFG!

OrchidInTheSun · 20/01/2019 18:49

Do you know, I have no time at all for Bergdorf and their homophobia and plastic feminism. But I have even less for the organisers of women's march who make turkeys voting for Christmas look like a considered opinion

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
BlackForestCake · 20/01/2019 18:49

March organisers getting shit (rightly) on Twitter for calling actual women menstruators.

“Fun history lesson - when the UK joined the eu it had a limited time to choose which products could remain tax free before everything had to have vat on it. In 1973 there were 23 menstruators in parliament. So really the tampon tax is an issue of political representation.”

Quite apart from that, the chutzpah of complaining about women’s political representation when you are trying to undermine women’s political organisation and limit women’s political freedom is really quite something.

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
PlectrumElectrum · 20/01/2019 16:57

One of the organisers of the women's march tried the 'shit on those below' approach to a challenge on having manroe speaking at the event - the usual lazy accusations of transphobia included - but I think @IndyLeya served her back her arse on a plate

https://twitter.com/indy_leya/status/1086970484082774017?s=21

Oh and here's another gratuitous virtue signalling tweet - they're a fucking joke https://twitter.com/womensmarchlon/status/1086919703245791232?s=21

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GrumpyGran8 · 20/01/2019 15:22

(Second Shelf books London?)
Yes, that was the one. Wonder if their 'making a safe place' policy means chucking out all the books by "old irrelevant T*RFs" like Germaine Greer, Andrea Dworkins etc?

GrumpyGran8 · 20/01/2019 15:06

I've just found this: www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2018/mar/03/womens-liberation-movement-march-1971-in-pictures
It's a gallery of photos of the first Womens March, in 1971, in London. Just look at their banners and placards, all about womens' issues - contraception, childcare, abortion, equal pay, equal treatment. The contrast with yesterday's Womens All-Inclusive March is astounding.

R0wantrees · 20/01/2019 14:51

TWAW utterly ignores and minimises the experience of “transition” and is just rude imo.

It also ignores and minimises the experience and reality of being a woman.

zzzzz · 20/01/2019 14:14

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