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Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

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stumbledin · 19/01/2019 00:57

Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

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GrinitchSpinach · 21/01/2019 02:37

it's 'transwoman' if you don't believe that TWAW

Trans activists insist on Trans space woman. They insist on it, because it's a description of a woman in the same way that you would say 'black women' or 'older women'. It is validation

Transwoman is the term I will continue to use.

In response to the outrageous boundary-pushing of the most vocal transactivists, I have grown uncomfortable with even the social courtesy of calling any male-born person "woman" of any kind. I will use a person's preferred name, and I will refer to trans people/a trans person, but activists have infringed so far upon women's boundaries that I will no longer refer to any male born person as a "woman" in any context.

WeeBisom · 21/01/2019 02:24

So if female MPs are 'menstruators' what can we call the male MPs? Can we say 'in 1973 there were 500 jizzers in Parliament"? How about 'In 1973 there were 500 prostate havers in Parliament."

The women's march helpfully provides a flow chart - does the person menstruate? If yes they are a menstruator. If no, they are a non-menstruator. What does it mean to say 'does the person menstruate' ?I'm on contraception which stops my periods. I haven't had a proper period in years. Am I am menstruator? Does this mean that post-menopausal women, and young girls, are in the same category as men?

It's hilarious because on their Twitter page they have retweeted a transwoman who indignantly states "I'm a woman and I'm more than my reproductive organs." Well, good for you, but how is this consistent with calling women menstruators?

I've said this before but honest to god when I see terms like 'menstruator' or 'lactator' it makes me feel terrible. It is so dehumanising.

AngryAttackKittens · 21/01/2019 01:14

I'd rather not wrap my boobs in cling film, thanks, Munroe.

theOtherPamAyres · 21/01/2019 00:56

TRANSWOMAN or TRANS WOMAN?

it's 'transwoman' if you don't believe that TWAW

Trans activists insist on Trans space woman. They insist on it, because it's a description of a woman in the same way that you would say 'black women' or 'older women'. It is validation

Transwoman is the term I will continue to use.

OlennasWimple · 21/01/2019 00:46

Are all the other Women's Marches led by transwomen?

BlackForestCake · 21/01/2019 00:46

Does there need to be a real Women’s March instead of this bollocks?

R0wantrees · 21/01/2019 00:40

Janice Turner (Times journalist)

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1087146799889027073

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
R0wantrees · 21/01/2019 00:17

Younger women also have hysterectomies due to medical neccessity.

We don't generally publically identify as 'former menstruators'

Although it seems there is a definite need to raise awareness about this (as well as many other issues) with those who run the Women's March London twitter account.

EJennings · 21/01/2019 00:05

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nettie434 · 20/01/2019 23:35

Am sure you are right about using ‘menstruator’ as synonym for female Ereshkigal Actually the average age of MPs in those days was older and it was almost impossible to be a woman MP with young children so the 23 were more likely to be hot flushers Angry

AngryAttackKittens · 20/01/2019 23:29

I'm definitely a sniffler today (bloody cold season).

EJennings · 20/01/2019 23:21

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Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 23:19

The point here is that they aren't even consistent with their own bullshit. Their "23 menstruators in parliament" when Britain joined the EU is not the case. They're using it as a synonym for "female". Or guessing based on no of women in parliament at the time.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/01/2019 23:18

I don’t get it - unless it’s just a monumental puss take.

There's some things they can't take away from us!

CroneXX · 20/01/2019 23:11

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littlbrowndog · 20/01/2019 22:34

Tbh I don’t think most men I know don’t even know what the word menstruate even means
They would be wondering what the wokieys was on about
But they do understand the word women
As does all of the world

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/01/2019 22:26

But if transwomen are so desperate to be in the gang, why quibble about the actual word ‘woman’ unless it reminds them of what they actually are not (even if we are constantly bombarded with the message that they are?). I don’t get it - unless it’s just a monumental puss take.

Ereshkigal · 20/01/2019 22:13

It's so awkward that this woke new language has forced us to talk about women's private biological states instead of their policies, votes and ideas!

Yet

"Don't reduce women to our biology, you essentialist"

NotMeOhNo · 20/01/2019 22:08

It's so awkward that this woke new language has forced us to talk about women's private biological states instead of their policies, votes and ideas!
So we have menstruators, breastfeeders, chestfeeders, pregnant people, ovulators, luteal phasers, and that's just the nominally fertile ones!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/01/2019 22:04

Well the mp who just gave birth wont currently be menstruating but I’m pretty sure she is a woman. The baby is a clue.

NotMeOhNo · 20/01/2019 22:02

We should call the Suffragettes menstruators too, if that's the word du jour for women in politics.
I wonder if Kelly O'Dwyer is a menstruator? Perhaps not if she's still breastfeeding.
www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/no-progress-since-gillard-craig-emerson-slams-sexist-abuse-of-kelly-o-dwyer-20190120-p50si3.html

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/01/2019 22:01

Bloody nouveau women.

littlbrowndog · 20/01/2019 21:57

Menstruators
Did I just read that from women’s march
Offs

Are we not women any more
They will have to renam3 thei4 March the menstruators march but then that would be awkward for them

MargueritaPink · 20/01/2019 21:52

Anyway as part of the parliamentary trivia about the intake of MPs in the 1970 election I found this which I think is worth sharing. It's about the Beast of Bolsover- Dennis Skinner.

On 20 January 1989, hetalked outa move to reduce the number of weeks at which termination of a pregnancy can be legally performed in Britain by moving a writ for theRichmond by-election

NotMeOhNo · 20/01/2019 21:51

I read through that entire Twitter response thread (logged out) and there wasn't a single SINGLE post in support or defence of the term. Who are the people who think it's acceptable and logical?

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