Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

I noticed that India Willoughby, although claiming to be telling the truth, was using the old trick of sunglasses indoors to obscure facial expressions

if human males claiming to be women are allowed to call themselves whatever they like then surely human females can refer to themselves as whatever they like, we can call ourselves real women, true women etc

Good points made about transwoman/trans woman/not using woman in any form for those that aren't.

I'll just add that currently, the accepted form among AWAs is 'trans woman', but this quite a recent affectation as no gap was acceptable for quite a while.

Expect the language to shift again at some point, probably relatively quickly, because this is not actually about finding the right term to use, this is a basic control tactic. I fully expect the trans to be dropped at some point, and a clue to this is in the emergence of 'woman with a trans experience'.

Yet again, this isn't about trans rights, this about control. Controlling the way people communicate is vital for the powerful. Any rebellion against things like is to be encouraged.

Women are getting feminism wrong
I will never tire of hearing that quote. Priceless.

It is totally all about men trying to dominate women
again
So transparent and so fucking boring

Here's Muroe after last year's Women's March complaining about pink pussy hats.

graziadaily.co.uk/life/opinion/munroe-bergdorf-women-getting-feminism-wrong/

Despite being told many times that all vaginas are pink, regardless of the vagina-holder's skin colour on Twitter, Munroe decided to ignore those women and reiterate that point again.

Munroe is certainly very keen on kicking white women but is getting better at not doing it overtly.

Well, it is good India reiterates the 'I am a woman' thing. You wouldn't guess from that whole scene. #malesocialization

Transwoman is the term I will continue to use.

I will use neither, because both prop up the falsehood. But yes, TRAs hate the word "transwoman" because it is part of a noun which indicates something other than woman, rather than an adjective to describe a "woman".

Nah, Munroe. Thanks, but no thanks. You might not go anywhere, but nor do women. And we prefer to make our own program, thanks.

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Its worth watching.
The hand gestures reiterate the point (so to speak)

I'm going to say that one more time so it really penetrates
Penetrates?
penetrates??
Human male claims to be female but references their penis in doing so
Wtf??

It's all just gob shite word salad

They still don't seem to have realized that many women have lots of experience in male people trying to boss us around and an instinctive "nope, fuck off" reaction.

'I did enjoy 'get with the program'

Its fascinating how some prominant male transpeople use such rhetoric to make demands of women:

cf India Willoughby, 'I am a real woman I am going to say that one more time so it really penetrates, I am a real woman'

Reaching the increasing belief that Bergdorf is mad.

Dear Munroe - the answer is "no". Also, you're not a very convincing liar.

I did enjoy 'get with the program'

It acknowledges that there is an awful lot of organizational effort from certain quarters in a program, it's a command from someone who perceives they are superior to rebellious women. It's very revealing, and most women I know don't smile sweetly when given this command.

Munroe Bergdorf has issued further instructions.

(Munroe's claims that 'all women matter' though clearly not the women Munroe demonises (to use MB's terminology) as 'terfs')

They've deleted the initial tweet and replaced it with:

twitter.com/womensmarchlon/status/1087105220688179200

"As a trans inclusive and intersectional group we try to use inclusive language when talking about issues of biology. This guide from @PeriodPositive explains why we chose to use the word "menstruator" in an earlier tweet about the tampon tax".

Then they go on to dig themselves further in with:

"Whilst the group of people in question (the 23 afab mps serving in 1973) were all cis women, the word menstruator was used instead of women because the shared experience that was being referenced was menstruation and not womanhood".

Every single reply (hundreds of them) is pure gold.

We seem to have a Peak Trans machine going here.

I feel a bit tempted to bung them some money (yes, they have the begging bowl out) just so that they can continue their sterling work.

Nauticant:

'8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.'

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

In response to the outrageous boundary-pushing of the most vocal transactivists, I have grown uncomfortable with even the social courtesy of calling any male-born person "woman" of any kind. I will use a person's preferred name, and I will refer to trans people/a trans person, but activists have infringed so far upon women's boundaries that I will no longer refer to any male born person as a "woman" in any context.

Male Transperson/ people
Female Transperson /people

Seems the most accurate and also inclusive description. Many male transpeople are non-binary, some agender etc.

Stonewall etc have made clear to everyone that there are many transpeople under the umbrella who must be 'accepted without exception'.

I know transpeople exist.

I know humans can't change sex.

I also know language matters.

If they're trying to make some sort of point about women's representation in parliament, encouraging everyone to believe that transwomen are women will merely lead to FEWER women representing us.

Transwomen is what they are.

Compared to trans women supposedly being the type of women they are.

The interesting thing about menstruators is that because not all of the people this is supposed to apply to menstruate, the argument is effectively being made that the relevant people are those having menstruating equipment. But aren't we continually being told that the equipment that we have is irrelevant to our gender (as a proxy for sex)? It seems that women can be categorised according to their equipment but men cannot.

Incidentally, the [[http://www.millionwomenrise.com/
Million Women Rise]] march is in London on 9 March and last year, that actually did feel as if it was about women.

By the way the freebie magazine Stylist was giving away free pull out posters for Bread and Roses March (to use as placards) and massively promoting it including via an editorial comment last week.

www.stylist.co.uk/visible-women/who-is-rose-schneiderman-bread-and-roses-quote-womens-march-london/244926

I wonder if Stylist would be interested in talking to any (actual) women about the problems of being so inclusive that you end up supporting anti-women, homophobia-supporting politics? They could speak to WPUK, LAWS, Posie Parker, Magdalen Berns, ManFriday..?

www.stylist.co.uk/visible-women/womens-march-on-london-jan-2019-feminist-protest/242989