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Most gender critical/female rights party?

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duriandurian · 15/01/2019 09:28

I have just realised that if there is an election soon I won't have a clue to whom I should give my vote.
I was thinking Lib Dem because Remain/Second Referendum. But the news articles I have googled don't look good. My local white, male labour MP Matt Western shot me down when I tried to raise women's vs transgender rights with wording suspiciously similar to other MPs' emails which were posted on here at the time.
Spoil my ballot? Thanks.

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CallMeSirShotsFired · 15/01/2019 14:41

Flowers and Brew nauticant

userschmoozer · 15/01/2019 14:40

Taking everything into account there isnt anyone I can vote for so I will be voting for no one on my ballot paper.

www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

nauticant · 15/01/2019 14:24

Well I'm from the other side CallMeSirShotsFired and hold a mirror image of your view. Pleased to make your acquaintance as a fellow non-tribalist.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 15/01/2019 14:19

I've seen many people saying they'd "never vote" (usually) Conservative.

Up till now, I'd never vote Labour.

But if on the twelfth of never, while hell was freezing over they came out and said "Women are Adult Humans and we stand by that and men will have to respect their boundaries and right to say no", my X would be on the ballot on a flash.

I may have to hold my nose a bit, but I'd do it.

R0wantrees · 15/01/2019 14:11

Both of these parties proclaim that TWAW. They are the most extreme pro-trans parties. Their written policies have been updated to remove such controversial words as 'women' and replaced them with 'people'.

Its likely that some TRAs have had significant influence on these policies in both parties in similar ways.

THere is a very close relationship between Aimee Challenor and some LibDem trans rights activists.
AC & Sarah Brown (LibDem) hold positions on Stonewall's Trans Advisory Comittee.

In April 2018 there was a short period when it was believed by AC & others that The GP would be ending the role of LGBTQIA+ spokesperson.
LibeDem LGBT+ twitter offered immediate solidarity.
When Challenor left the Green Party claiming 'transphobia' she went straight to The LibDems and was given roles and opportunities by LGBT+ straight away.

Most gender critical/female rights party?
LangCleg · 15/01/2019 14:10

with all due respect, when it comes to voting for a party we should take everything into account not just gender critical issues

Why? People can vote on whatever basis they like. With whatever red lines they like. Apparently, in a democracy, people are allowed to use their votes in different ways to the ones you think they should. Weird concept, I know.

MargueritaPink · 15/01/2019 13:44

While it's called 'spoiling your ballot', it is actually a powerful political act

It really isn't. It may not even be looked at by the candidates unless the result was so close candidates wanted to scrutinise the spoiled papers to check their exclusion is valid.

It is especially powerful if loads of people do it. I intend to protest in this way at the local elections in May

It might have some effect on a party if a large number of voters did so all for the same reason.

theOtherPamAyres · 15/01/2019 13:30

The LibDems and the Greens

Both of these parties proclaim that TWAW. They are the most extreme pro-trans parties. Their written policies have been updated to remove such controversial words as 'women' and replaced them with 'people'.

Both parties believe that the decriminalisation of so-called sex-work is liberating. ("Blow Jobs are Real Jobs", according to green activists)

At the Lib Dems conference, councillors used abusive terms for women who were handing out Fairplay for Women leaflets about the risks to GRA. There were photos of the leaflets being put in the bin, triumphantly. At the Green Conference, the police were called because conference-goers felt that the three FPFW women handing out leaflets were distributing transphobic material and making the them feel unsafe.

Both of these parties expect to make a killing at local elections in May. They believe that they will benefit from a protest vote against Conservative and Labour handling of Brexit. They are not expecting the Woman Question to arise at all.

Both parties deserve to hear what women think about their record, their manifestos and the ignorance of basic safeguarding.

traceyracer · 15/01/2019 13:24

with all due respect, when it comes to voting for a party we should take everything into account not just gender critical issues

theOtherPamAyres · 15/01/2019 13:12

conservatives are the least bad (on this issue)

I disagree. The Conservatives have done more than any other party to introduce self i/d by stealth, during the Coalition, the Cameron Govt and the May governments. They are the ones who have funded pro-trans lobbies to train the public sector and advise the private sector.

They may be back-tracking now, but the horse has bolted. Their harmful policies will take a lot of unpicking. I doubt whether they are open to admitting that they have made a right pig's ear of women and childrens' rights.

They deserve to hear what women think about the Conservatives record.

traceyracer · 15/01/2019 13:05

the party I would like to vote for is the Lib Dems, they are more liberal and more accepting of everyone as opposed to the Tories who only look after the top 1%

Green look decent too but a vote for them would be a wasted vote

but because they have so little chance now I just use strategic voting and vote for the Torie's opposition (Labour)

R0wantrees · 15/01/2019 12:55

What's best to do - give them a copy of the Veritas report? Aimee's a Lib dem now, isn't she?

There are a number of reports and well researched articles which should resonate with LibDem MPs eg

The lies about NHS single sex accomodation (see Telegraph & Mail last weekend) detailed by Anne Harper Wright
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

Safeguarding vulnerable female prisoners (James Kirkup has been good at reporting on this with regards Karen White) including his criticism of Layla Moran's comments:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/this-mp-has-summed-up-everything-wrong-with-the-transgender-debate/
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3431013-James-Kirkup-being-fab-again

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-state-has-failed-karen-whites-victims/

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 15/01/2019 12:44

No - I thought that's what the WEP was going to be.

Sigh.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 15/01/2019 12:44

I really worry about this.

I have told my local MSP that while he's great, I'm not voting for the party because of their gender critical nonsense. He looked genuinely surprised, I'm a leftie liberal.

If there's a GE I will meet with my MP, also Lib Dem.

What's best to do - give them a copy of the Veritas report? Aimee's a Lib dem now, isn't she?

Ask them about what they will do to protect women only spaces seeing as how 154 women were murdered by men last year and we already have men masquerading as women to access except spaces?

Fecking nightmare.

NoIsACompleteButRudeSentence · 15/01/2019 12:40

I would like a plan for a widespread spoiling of ballots with the same slogan for want of a better word (like the ones suggested upthread).

Women need to unite and make a noticeable impact as a concerted movement.

traceyracer · 15/01/2019 12:39

I believe in Sweden there is a political party whose main focus is feminism. they are infamous for wanting what they call a "man tax"

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 15/01/2019 12:35

To misquote Joey, UKIP are so far past my red line, it has become a dot.
I'll never vote Conservative, ever.
I'm a natural Labour voter, but what with their Brexit non-stance, their shambling incompetence when it comes to Party coherence and discipline and their lack of respect for womens rights (plus my local candidate is a waste of space) I am very reluctant to give them any support and have concerns about their performance in government.
If only there was a choice of chaos with Ed Miliband!
LD would be where I probably go. If they put someone up locally, and I get a chance to hear their response on womens rights.

OvaHere · 15/01/2019 12:28

There just aren't any viable options for women currently. It feels like we are being pushed into a choice of old patriarchy versus new patriarchy and it's all the same old, bar the window dressing.

I despair really.

Puggled · 15/01/2019 12:11

I would certainly consider an individual candidate whose openly expressed views I agree with even if their party line was different. Failing that, I'll go for writing in None of the above, and saying why. This goes for Brexit as well as self id.

Terfing · 15/01/2019 12:00

Sadly, UKIP are the only Party who oppose self-id Sad

LangCleg · 15/01/2019 11:44

If anybody meets with their MP or other representatives, you can tell them that your vote depends on their being on the public record with support for women - and ask them whether they would be prepared to break the whip for women's rights.

dolorsit · 15/01/2019 11:41

As an aside, my vote will be primarily based on Brexit, the first time in 30 years I will vote on a single issue.

I will be telling the Libdem and green candidates that the reason I can not vote for them is due to their attitude to women. A GC candidate would have to be very convincing to change my mind.

I think I am most likely going to spoil my ballot.

R0wantrees · 15/01/2019 11:34

MPs need to be aware of this.
As part of the International week of action at the end of January, contacting MPs would be a good thing to do.

Meeting face to face with MPs has been shown to be more effective than just letter writing.

All contituents are able to request a meeting.

dolorsit · 15/01/2019 11:33

I would disagree with voting for individuals who, at election time, appear open to arguments that they will consider in the future.

I'm not suggesting that one should.

However, you may find that your candidate has, for example, attended meetings in the house or supported GC feminists. However, If you refuse to vote for a candidate who appears to be GC because their party is not then we will not get people who share our views into the house. At the same time make it clear this is a vote winning issue for you.

It is a balance, I for example wouldn't vote for a GC UKIP candidate. Each voter has their own red line and their own dilemma.

I agree that many are unaware or only have a superficial understanding of the issues which is why talking to your candidates is important. I know labour activists in my area were completely uninformed, probably because I live in a "non-woke" working class area.

SpareRibFem · 15/01/2019 11:26

The lib dems are completely loopy on this topic, and their political influence has faded away, the conservatives are the least bad (on this issue) Sad I wouldn't vote Maria Miller

Seriously considering volunteering to canvas for David Davies though next election, I may dislike some of his policies but he's stood up for women and a significantly increased majority for him would send a message.

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