Jennifer Pritzker strops

Do you think I'm homophobic and racist?

I'm assuming you aren't, but if you post links like this with a positive endorsement and a request that people put their 'prejudices aside', a lot of people will think you are.

It is not always the case that my enemy's enemy is my friend. These people may agree with us one issue, but they do so for very different reasons, so we really should not be cosying up to them because they do not have the best interests of women (or gay, or BAME people) at heart.

I think this gets to the root of why we are where we are. The division of ideas and policies that align or don't align with other ideas. If you're left wing, it's expected that along with not being homophobic or racist, you will be totally accepting of trans ideology. Conversely, if you are sceptical about trans ideology (because it's anti-woman and regressive), there is an assumption amongst some people that you must also be homophobic and agree with any number of other offensive ideologies.

What needs to be worked on is the idea that a number of ideas 'go together', and that if you agree with one you must agree with some or all of the others.

Of course the other real problem here is that trans ideology seems to have been swallowed whole by both sides as being progressive, instead of being seen for the regressive, homophobic and misogynistic bullshit it really is.

Anything with ‘family’ in its name usually has the fundamentalist Christian and Far Right alarm bells ringing for me!

No, Family Action did not ring any alarm bells.

I'm very surprised by that because terms like 'family action' are usually only seen as part of the name of fundamental Christian organisations who promote racism while opposing gay rights and, ironically, the rights of women.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have led a particularly sheltered life so aren't aware of this.

This debate can lead us into shark infested waters. Rod Liddle is another example of citing repellent commentators because they happen to share an opinion on one subject matter. I think funkyfunkybeat12 makes a really good point and I agree with her in this instance.

Oh I know "family action" sounds a bit traditional and so on, but put your prejudices aside and you might find yourself, like me, agreeing with every word of this most refreshingly phrased article!

Your OP. Where you told us to put aside our prejudices about the name of the organisation and we might agree with the writer. Did the name not ring any alarm bells?

It is a good idea to check the veracity and credentials of a source before you recommend it in such glowing terms, especially when the name of the source pretty much tells you the agenda.

When I stumbled across the article I saw no reason to conduct a hazard analysis just in case anyone went further than I did.

You should have done! It's a good idea to check exactly who or what you are endorsing when you share a link you wholeheartedly agree with.

Oh I know "family action" sounds a bit traditional and so on...

It sounds a bit 'traditional' because it's part of the name of a group that support 'traditional' values like homophobia and racism.

It is not always the case that my enemy's enemy is my friend. These people may agree with us one issue, but they do so for very different reasons, so we really should not be cosying up to them because they do not have the best interests of women (or gay, or BAME people) at heart.

Right. Sure. I mean it’s the name that’s the problem, not the very obvious viewpoint they take. Family action by itself means very little, but it’s extremely obvious just from clicking on the ‘about’ button what they’re about and where they make the lovely statement that they don’t think same sex couples count as families.

Why would my concerns about homophobia not be valid? I thought that was clear in my post but if you need me to spell it out, I am a lesbian. So you telling me to put my prejudice aside actually grates on me and I find it upsetting. As I asked before, would you link to eg Britain First and tell BAME people to get over their prejudice about the name? I really hope you wouldn’t.

The article doesn’t even say anything that others haven’t said in a more polite and measured way.

In addition to his strong, persistent desire to masquerade as a woman, he apparently has a strong, persistent desire to have others not only see that he wants to be a woman but treat him as if he were a woman. But that’s a bridge too far because it requires of others that they deny both reality and, in many cases, their religious beliefs.

This.

Great post lurker

Also what are the prejudices you want me to put aside? My prejudices against homophobia?

Please don’t direct people to that poisonous website.

It is a timely reminder that, along with the reasonable agreement on two sexes/no limits on behaviours various political tribes have found on this issue, there is likely still a split between people who think that gender nonconformity is FINE actually and are brindling against being forced into a binary by a bunch of well-meaning fools who think that non-conformity to stereotypes needs to be pathologised, and people who actually think that gender stereotypes ARE sex and want everyone to conform.

I'm not a member of the latter group, you may have guessed.

It is actually upsetting to read this article alongside the rest of the unscientific drivel re: climate change denial, “gay families aren’t families”, the evil satanic public education system, etc on that website.

Makes one immediately associate actually reasonable arguments with that other trash. Well Any stopped clock is right twice each day I suppose. Still, ick.

Put your prejudices aside? This is a group who says on their ‘about’ page that they do not believe that the family includes same sex couples. So excuse me if I say fuck off when heterosexual people expect me to put my prejudice aside and embrace a group that fundamentally hates me just because they wrote an article that the op agrees with. Is it just gays that are fair game or would you expect BAME people to put aside their prejudices to read articles by Britain First?

Maybe the Democrats will need to be reminded of "careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

It is refreshing to read an article for a change where the writer has a solid grasp of the difference between sex and gender. I removed the quote I originally posted above to reduce the chances of my post being deleted.