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Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids

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JoanSummers · 14/01/2019 01:13

I'm not sure if this has been posted?

"A local drag community in Newcastle have come together in style to create a one-of-a-kind 2019 calendar, with all proceeds going to charity to support transgender children and young people across the UK."

The February and March photos are attached.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

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Dragon3 · 15/01/2019 22:40

Some people seem to be OK with drag yet even they must see that drag is a celebration of male sexual culture. Why is this being made our children's business? Who benefits?

Absolutely this.

JoanSummers · 15/01/2019 22:33

I think the images from this calendar have great potential for photoshopping into Mermaids, girl guides and woke school gumpf and propaganda.

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Datun · 15/01/2019 22:26

pencils

Is the right-hand picture that child posing with that murderer under a poster saying Rohypnol ?

What on earth is that middle picture?

PencilsInSpace · 15/01/2019 22:05

Fuck this shit.

Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids
Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids
Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids
OlennasWimple · 15/01/2019 21:54

I'm going to suggest that any school that receives training from Mermaids should also have to display this calendar in their main reception

Obviously no head teacher worth their salt would do that, which just might give them reason to pause and think about who they are letting onto their premises to influence their students

PencilsInSpace · 15/01/2019 21:43

Huh. Dunno what the fuss is about.

This is no different from WI doing a nude calendar.

Drag queen story time is no different from pantomime dames.

Drag kids like Lactatia and Desmond Is Amazing is no different from beauty pageants.

Nothing to see here Hmm

Very young children are very suddenly being introduced to drag culture in all sorts of ways. We should be able to talk about this as a thing in itself without being constantly exhorted to look over there at something else.

Some people seem to be OK with drag yet even they must see that drag is a celebration of male sexual culture. Why is this being made our children's business? Who benefits?

sackrifice · 15/01/2019 21:35

Do women dress up as men for late night raunchy laughs? Ever?

ChewyLouie · 15/01/2019 21:23

If this is about ‘asshole parents ‘ then centre the campaign on them, send men in drag into pubs around the country to spread the word.
Leave children out of a scenario, they need know nothing about.

Beerflavourednipples · 15/01/2019 21:14

Kindergartens are nurseries. Why do three or four year olds need to discuss hate speech nevermind in the context of adult males dressing as women. Four year olds are still making sense of the world with themselves at the centre of the universe, there is no need to make them aware of an adult man’s painful experiences.

Exactly this!

4 year olds still think the world revolves around them, they ain't gonna give a fuck about drag queens!

Earlywalker · 15/01/2019 21:13

I don’t need to try to wind anyone up, even when I agree with you all, someone still gets their knickers in a twist over it Grin

The article makes a good point, hate and discrimination is a learned behaviour it is not innate. If young kids can be taught about differences from a young age, it may help combat that. For example the books he’s reading To them, I know one of them is about a gay couple (penguin) that have a baby.

If you go in at age 10 for example with books about differences, people with asshole parents have already learnt their predjudices.

JoanSummers · 15/01/2019 21:09

If drag queens are just men wearing dresses and there's no fetish or misigyny in it, then why do they call themselves names like Dixie Swallows? Why don't they dress like ordinary women, I don't know any women at all that wear what you call "princess dresses" on a regular normal day. Especially into a school or nursery. What do you think would happen to a female teacher who dressed or wore makeup like a drag queen, or asked the kids to call her Dixie Swallows?

And that is a great question from ChewyLouie,

Children see that people are different all around them; short, fat, brown, white, with disabilities. So what is it that is so different about men in drag that this cohort needs to be a special case for children to learn to be nice and accepting to?

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ChewyLouie · 15/01/2019 21:02

Earlywalker you are such a wind up merchant, the last sentence really gave it away 👸🏼

Earlywalker · 15/01/2019 20:51

Kindergarden is an American term for first year of school starting at age 5, is it not? In the UK we call it nursery or preschool.
He’s reading a few books questioning gender stereotypes. He’s hardly gone in dressed in bondage telling them to accept self ID and do drag.
Drag queens accept they are men, I think it’s positive for kids to see men in dresses not being a woman, it’s great for questioning gender stereotypes.
I’m guessing they’ve chosen drag queens to do the talking as they stand out and so kids may listen to them? In the video he looks like the princesses you hire for parties.

JoanSummers · 15/01/2019 20:47

You haven't ever looked after, taught or raised children, have you earlywalker?

In ye olden days where us old lady prudes come from, the phrase for what you're doing now was "trying to teach grandmother to suck eggs". Nowadays we just call it mansplaining.

I don’t think it’s so bad to start teaching 5 year olds about people that are different. Hmm Maybe you think children are all blind and deaf before 5 and haven't noticed any differences between people? Especially the differences between men and women, even babies are aware of those. Conversations about differences and kindness abound in houses with young children. Conversations about the political concept of "hate speech", not so much.

Kindergarten (not "garden") is for children under 5, what we in the UK (the area of the world this calendar and Mermaids exist within) would call nursery or preschool. At 5 most children enter primary school. This is when they learn more about mixing with other children, follow instructions, sing songs, recite the alphabet, etc. The idea that this is an appropriate time or place to introduce men in oversexualised womanface, using names like "Dixie Swallows", to talk about "acceptance without exception" while parading fetishwear, can only be supported by paedophiles and their delusional and/or stupid enablers.

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Datun · 15/01/2019 20:36

Why should children be taught accept men in drag at all? . A lot of women think it's sexist.

ChewyLouie · 15/01/2019 20:29

Reception starts at age 5 in the U.K.
Kindergarten children are pre- schoolers at nursery.
Children see that people are different all around them; short, fat, brown, white, with disabilities. So what is it that is so different about men in drag that this cohort needs to be a special case for children to learn to be nice and accepting to? Nothing as far as I’m concerned, exactly what is it that I am missing here?

deepwatersolo · 15/01/2019 20:25

My four year old came home from kindergarten all disturbed one day, because some other 4 year old had said ‚I‘ll kill you‘ to him and some other boys- out of the blue. Wasn‘t sure if the boy could and would actually kill them, and why.

These are the kinds of issues around hate speech kids have in kindergarten, early, not questions around how they need to accept any possible self-ID. They won‘t. They’ll tell a bloke in a dress he‘s a bloke, some random person that they look old or have funny make up, and they‘ll tell their peer that, no he is not Superman with Superpowers (unless it is their best friend), and none of it is hate speech.

Datun · 15/01/2019 20:21

In the UK school starts at five. It's For nursery schools.

LONDON, England, November 14, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Starting tomorrow, men dressed as women will be reading stories to children as young as two at a chain of London nursery schools.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/drag-queen-story-time-comes-to-london-nursery-schools

feministfairy · 15/01/2019 20:20

Teaching children to be kind and respectful is good. A charity for children having a calendar with sexualised photographs of grotesque 'drag queens' parodying women and looking at porn is wrong - as is introducing drag queens into primary schools.
Little children should be protected from adults exhibiting extreme sexualised behaviour / dress.

Earlywalker · 15/01/2019 20:07

Kindergarden starts at age 5 Hmm
I don’t think it’s so bad to start teaching 5 year olds about people that are different. It obviously depends on the way they approached it and what was said but on the whole I think learning about acceptance and being nice to people that are different to you can be a good lesson for a 5 year old.

Datun · 15/01/2019 19:37

early

Yeah, you go and talk to two and three-year-olds about hate speech.

And don't forget to let them know that accurately identifying sex is all part of it.

Ffs.

ChewyLouie · 15/01/2019 19:37

Kindergartens are nurseries. Why do three or four year olds need to discuss hate speech nevermind in the context of adult males dressing as women. Four year olds are still making sense of the world with themselves at the centre of the universe, there is no need to make them aware of an adult man’s painful experiences.
If society as a whole is keen to foist troubling emotions on children, talk to them about not calling other children names, let them be children.
So no I never discussed hate speech with my child at age 4- Octonauts, yes.

Earlywalker · 15/01/2019 19:23

There is a definite alliance somewhere. Because the drag queens going into kindergartens were addressing hate speech. That was their remit

I’m interested to hear why discussing hate speech is a negative? Do you not want your children to be brought up knowing that hate speech is wrong?

A lot of drag queens will have faced some kind of hate speech in their lives, as gay men or drag acts, why would they not want to raise awareness and discuss it?

FloralBunting · 15/01/2019 17:26

Boundaries are just so conservative, man. You're just so uptight.

Datun · 15/01/2019 17:10

There is a definite alliance somewhere. Because the drag queens going into kindergartens were addressing hate speech. That was their remit.

So they seemed to be blurring the lines between trans and drag, themselves.