Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids

EJennings, no, it's not. I didn't suggest it was, and I don't disagree that there is a fuckton of misogyny in drag. That's my position personally.

I was attempting to answer the question you posed about if another view in defence of drag as not necessarily misogynistic was possible, because I find it useful to approach my own views from different angles.

But given that we're on a thread discussing the odious S. Green's bizarre and inappropriate use of adult gay cross dressing culture to raise cash for her charity dedicated to confusing children and young people, the inevitable backlash against LGB because of it is on topic.

ChewyLouie that link is really interesting thanks.

Flying www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/reading-sessions-children-hosted-drag-117022
In Bristol they were using a drag queen called Miss Beaver. No comment.

But I still don't want them to face a right wing backlash because of Susie Green's ego.
Yep, especially as Susie Green won't suffer at all when it happens

JoanSummers
Fair points. We might be talking about different things here, though.
I mean, a fella in a dress and makeup miming to "I Am What I Am" isn't satirising women in a nasty way. You might find it an offensive caricature and I might not. The more risqué outfits - Katie Price made a living out of dressing like that, and I've never seen a drag act that suggested that's how women should look or do look.
However, you might be right about some of this new stuff. I don't know what kind of drag queen is going into schools and reading to kids. Could be some game-for-a-laugh gay bloke who is a popular entertainer in his local bars, or it could be some scary pervert who wants access to children.
A: I don't know enough about who does it to hazard a guess and B: I don't think drag queens should be reading stories to kids anyway.

I'm not defending the conflation between trans and drag. Earlier in the thread I pointed out how stupid and contradictory that is, coming from Mermaids.

I'm just trying to head off some of the inevitable homophobic backlash that seems to be building, by pointing out that drag as a gay culture thing isn't automatically associated with every bad thing, and there is a little more nuance to it.

I have these conversations with my eldest kids a lot as they like DragRace, and I spent a lot of time in my youth on the scene and I'm aware of how misogynistic some gay men can be. But I still don't want them to face a right wing backlash because of Susie Green's ego.

Also drag (queens but also kings) is a very knowing and overt way of playing on gender rules, hence why it's a "gay institution".
I don't think drag queens look like actual women, and I don't think they're supposed to. Also there are often in-jokes about the drag queen really being a man.
It's not the same as an AGP insistence on being called a woman, or fetishistic porn sickness etc.
Although as a pp mentioned perhaps there now are drag queens who are exhibitionist transwomen, instead of performing gay men.
I can only go by what I've experienced

FloralBunting
I share your views on drag, I won't quote the whole post but yes, I see it that way too.

It then has a line about helping some many people in the LGBTQI+ community but surely if mermaids are dealing with kids that should be the focus rather than the wider community
This is a good point. This is about children rather than about alphabet soup. I don't consider children as LGBTBBQ members, they are children.
Gay kids need to be supported, I was one once, I know there are issues.
But "gay kid" to me means a child who may grow up to be gay. I don't support adults assigning a sexuality to children, ever. The children themselves, they can think of themselves as anything they want to. But we shouldn't reinforce that by giving them alphabet soup "membership".
Sexualities are not for children, kids should enjoy the freedom from sex that childhood offers, and adults looking for personal validation should not compromise that.
I'd have loved to be acknowledged as a fully fledged lesbian when I was 13; I wasn't and I'm fine!
Preventing bullying is worthwhile, maybe the odd youth group. Subsuming children into the alphabet soup is, OTOH, questionable.

EJennings, I don't disagree, but for sake of rounding out ideas, I might suggest that drag rides on slightly different rails by showing males apeing hyper-sexualized femininity as a means of mocking, not women, but homophobic men.

I don't for a second deny there are misogynistic elements to it, much as there are in the gay male community more widely, but the core target of the joke doesn't seem to be women, but rather men who would scorn homosexuality as deviant and unmanly and then be presented by a fantasy attractive feminine creature that is actually a man.

Now, the fact that these are caricatures and sometimes unpleasant ones is undoubted, but I think women are rather incidental to drag rather than the focus, ironically, although that is fairly misogynistic in itself.

Just rolling some thoughts around.

I just checked the page on calendar with mermaids logo and it’s full of typos ‘gender disphoria’ and ‘proffessional’ 2 obvious ones. You’d think they would at least do a spell check before putting their name to such a tacky calendar. It then has a line about helping some many people in the LGBTQI+ community but surely if mermaids are dealing with kids that should be the focus rather than the wider community (esp the + which is all about sex/ fetish etc and nothing to do with kids who are confused about gender stereotypes.)

I get so annoyed with this definition of 'love' though. Not having a pop at you Beer, but while I would agree that there seems to be plenty of affectionate feeling in the family, love as I understand it is always wanting the best for the person loved.
I can't even get close to believing that sterilizing and all the rest because Jazz was a feminine child is the best for Jazz, and I've always thought, that like Susie Green, the decisions taken were bad and in the service of the parent's prejudices, and I don't think that's love at all.

Oh God poor Jazz's grandad in that clip! He looks like he just wanted to ground to open and swallow him up!

The thing is, Jazz and her family actually seem like nice people and its obvious that they love Jazz very much and are trying to do the best for her. Whether this road is the right one for Jazz I guess time will tell.

The older Jazz gets the more obvious it becomes that Jazz is male. I guess facial feminisation surgery will be next on the cards.

Interesting you cannot comment on the daily mail article. Has pressure been brought to bear, if so, by whom??