Did anyone watch Loose Women today?

I notice there's a petition of protest about those nasty Transphobic women on Loose Women, and a PN article is carrying a quote that they should all have 'compulsory training' before they are allowed to talk about these issues.

A group of hugely apologetic women dare to talk about an issue which affects them, in the mildest, most reticent way possible, and the AWAs are clamouring for their forced reeducation.

It's like Girlguiding and the rest of it. If you want to change a space/organisation from single sex to single gender (ie mixed sex) then be upfront about it and and be willing to explain the basis for the change, to say whether there's been a study of possible impacts on safeguarding, and to accept questions and answer them frankly. For example "it's a change we want to do to reflect changing society but we don't know what the impact might be".

It's this kind of thing that's contributing to an erosion of public trust in institutions/media/politics.

They probably asked her to follow that opinion so it could be debated.
Who knows (or cares) what she actually thinks.

Ah thank you.

I was wondering how they were getting away with it but that makes sense, particularly about the high staff to patient ratio.

Don't think so weetabix. It's recognised by cqc that it's not always possible and in ICU / CCU staff levels are very high, pts mostly immobile / unwell and resources limited ( so to have single sex provision would need to travel further).

I think the stuff around wanting single sex wards has been rumbling around for a long time, Weetabix. The direction of travel seemed to be towards it because mixed sex is not at all popular. This whole thing rather undercuts that.

Presumably the ward you mention isn't claiming to be single sex, which, while it would not be my preference, is different to claiming to be single sex and not being.

Our coronary care ward is mixed sex. It is a huge entirely open space with the beds lined up around the walls. It takes up the entire top floor of the hospital and there is no segregation (other than curtains) between the patients.

Are they breaking rules by having this?

Speaking as a bloke, I wouldn't be happy sharing a mixed hospital ward, and I don't like the idea of having mixed changing rooms. I can well understand why women want privacy, why they don't want men in hospital wards with them, and by that I mean human beings who were born male.
Call me old fashioned, but I like the idea of privacy and modesty.

I do think that it's often an incomplete thought process that creates this kind of attachment to Genderist ideas.
Not many people are accustomed to really drilling down into why they think what they think and what the consequences of their ideas are.

And, as has been pointed out, when you're in the fortunate position of likely never having to face the issues on the ground, the need to be accepted as kind and nice will over ride hard thinking- which is one of the reasons why not only Stacey just rolled over, but even the older women who expressed their problems, did so in a very apologetic manner and lots of deflecting "It's so complicated!" pleas.

It's not complicated at all. Three of them said it could be solved by third space solutions. But they felt it necessary to say it was complicated to signal that they were trying very hard not to automatically put women's needs first.

I don't actually believe women like Solomon are really okay with it. They just haven't thought it through.

I had a friend whose every idea took on the glowing light of a TV ad. It could be an extreme form of optimism, who knows.

But in Stacy's head, she won't be waking up, unable to move properly, with some man intimidating her or unwittingly waving his willy around.

And of course, it will be the elderly too who come in for this. You don't generally go into hospital being terribly healthy, sprightly and with all your wits about you.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale
But there are still cunts on MN.

Full of 'em, it is

MrsScamander
Once again women voicing their concerns for the safety and women is literal violence against transgender people.

It's wearisome. And has made me feel very hostile, where before I would have been all supportive like a good little woman should.

My mother is 89 with Alzheimers, and so most of my exposure to hospitals is visiting wards full of elderly women who are already struggling to orient themselves, whilst shocked from a fall, or full of infection and drugged up.

Stacey Soloman may be OK. And she may feel deeply about trans-feelz. But would she prioritise this over the comfort and welbeing of one of her elderly relatives.

I don’t actually know who she is. I assume she was on some tv talent show?

Solomon is one of the biggest virtue signallers on TV. She can be relied upon to present the most hand wringing, left leaning opinions, always accompanied by a pathetic wounded fawn expression on her face.

I'm not a fan.

Seem to be voicing them just fine here.

Fabulous, isn't it? Long live free speech, may it spread all over the internet!

Hmm, I suspect that it will be older women, who have seen a bit more of how the world really works, rather than how it would work if everyone was luffley, who will be the ones thinking more deeply about how transgender issues could really impact women.

Younger people are more idealistic and less realistic.

We are not allowed to voice our concerns in any way.
Seem to be voicing them just fine here.

How come it’s the people who come on here to berate us for our transphobia who use the most offensive transphobic language?

Oo oo, I know this! Is it because they don't actually care at all about trans people and are just using them as a handy wedge to attack women?

oh! gone already

like the first blossom of spring, goady fuckers are very much the may flys of the MN posting world. brief but glorious

next time put some lippy on mate

How come it’s the people who come on here to berate us for our transphobia who use the most offensive transphobic language?

Bus down women. A poor repressed man has entered the discussion, to tell us how it really is and where we’re all going wrong. 😁

do tell us about the things in your head secureCompartment

leave nothing out

I see from other posts of yours you don't like —feminists— women