Veritas report due tomorrow (Thursday) at midday re: Aimee Challenor

Safeguarding works when the organisation is basically safe, and the risk is that individuals with evil in their hearts attempt to get a position of trust. Safeguarding fails utterly when the keys are held by bad people and their patsys

You are also demonstrating a failure to understand Safeguarding.
You are not alone of course.
There is a systemic failure.

It is a cross party and cross organisational issue.

This section from the report is important:

6.60
Safeguarding risks are particularly acute in unstructured environments where interactions with vulnerable people are unregulated, unlike environmentssuch as schools where interactions are carefully managed.

Political parties and election campaigns are just this sort of unstructured environment.

We spoke to a number of people in the party about safeguarding. Of those what we spoke to, the chief of staff to Caroline Lucas MP, gave us the clearest explanation of how this case should have been dealt with as a safeguarding issue.

She told us that if she had known about the charges she would immediately have seen it as a safeguarding, as well as a media issue. She said she would have told the chief executive and the chair of the party’s executive committee.

She would have asked if Aimee’s involvement in the Young Greens would have given David Challenor access to young people.

She said that Aimee’s role in the party, which involved working with young people and the risk that arose from that should have been considered.

We asked Aimee whether she considered there were safeguarding issues arising from her father’s involvement with the party.

She told us :“There wouldn’t have been safeguarding... he had no personal access to members or members’ data.”

Comment As we have noted, prioritising the safety of children and vulnerable people is an individual responsibility of every member of society."

Anyone met Aimee's big brother and half sibling?

WTF is a 'general nice girl' or do I not need to know ?

Thank you Reflectent for that clear explanation of what happened with the Green Party in Coventry.
(I felt real dismay by the way for Aimee Challener reading that Kiwifarm thread - what a terrible background for any child to cope with).
You say that senior members of the Green Party handed control of the safeguarding process to the Challeners - but why? If they didn't know what David Challener was like because they failed to do proper background checks that is gross negligence, but if they did know and ignored it anyway the entire Party leadership should resign en masse.

Yep, good call. For violent rapist, read violent paedophile rapist throughout. My mistake.

My basic point stands, however.

His victim was a child. So paedophile etc etc

I have just read the Kiwifarms thread on Aimee and David Challenor, and am gobsmacked that either was ever seriously considered for leadership positions in a political party.

Not just any political party, though: the Greens. Caroline Lucas is a semi-competent political hack who got lucky, but would probably be able to get a gig as a candidate in a marginal seat for the Labour Party if it was a slow night at the selection meeting. The rest of the party leadership are a mixture of idiots, weirdos and fantasists.

And that’s a toxic combination. Safeguarding works when the organisation is basically safe, and the risk is that individuals with evil in their hearts attempt to get a position of trust. Safeguarding fails utterly when the keys are held by bad people and their patsys. IN the case of the Green Party in Coventry, a rapist, a rapist’s wife and a rapist’s child were the party. Let us be charitable and say the worst the wife and child are guilty of is being controlled by a violent and controlling man, and their actions are all read in that light. That leaves a violent rapist in sole charge of the party.

And that’s what’s happening to the Greens at a national scale. Senior members of the party were willing to produce evidence in court cases to support a family controlled by a violent rapist (and if you want to argue Aimee Challenor is not the victim of coercive control by a violent rapist, fine, but that makes the actions much worse). Senior members of the party handed over the safeguarding process, such as it was, to people controlled by a violent rapist.

Safeguarding requires that the organisation and most of its members be healthy and interested in safeguarding. Once the whole organisation has been ceded to a violent rapist, or people unable or unwilling to challenge a violent rapist, no process on earth can make it safe.

Caroline Lucas seems decent enough. Natalie Bennett seemed decent enough. Perhaps they could be asked to explain how they allowed the executive of their party to end up in the thrall of a violent, coercive rapist.

I still cannot believe that the Greens let AC do that.

It isn’t that long ago that their manifesto contained policy to demand that every scientist and academic submit every piece of research work to the government to be approved by commissars before work started. Lysenko didn’t manage to get quite that far, and the reasons are pretty much identical. The Greens attempt to argue that the tools of fascism are safe in their hands because they are the good guys. Every fascist says that.

Disrespectful I did feel that I needed a long cleansing bath after seeing some of those screenshots, especially the ones relating to David Challener.

I haven't read the report, but does it mention "terfblocker"?

I still cannot believe that the Greens let AC do that.

I clicked on that Twitter link and now wish I hadn't. And I'm someone who happily reads KiwiFarm.

I have just read the Kiwifarms thread on Aimee and David Challenor, and am gobsmacked that either was ever seriously considered for leadership positions in a political party. As someone on kiwifarms said, if Aimee had not presented as a transgender person would she ever have been looked at for any leadership position? It has puzzled me that coming out as transgender seems to preclude any reasonable scrutiny of that person's character or past behaviour, which should be a given surely, especially if that person is going to work with young people.

I don't know much about the Green Party in the UK, but it would be a pity if important messages about the environment get lost in all this.

I don't care if the Greens stand candidates who have no chance of winning: they lose their deposit so it's all good.

The two younger ones (sorry not sure about pronouns) look like twins. Weird. An AC doppleganger.

Huskie / furry thing going on there, WTF

Presumably everyone on this thread is aware of AC's two transwomen lovers? They have all gone for a week at Centreparcs, in what AC describes as a "family holiday"

Anyone met Aimee's big brother and half sibling?

twitter.com/P_Mickley/status/1083711701852323840?s=19

The Lib Dem’s asked dh to be a paper candidate in our local council elections. He didn’t but it was because he was one of the only members in our small area.

Much arm twisting can and does go on for candidates in places where there is no hope at all

And sometimes they even win

I know two MPs who stood for a "practice run in a seat that would never change hands" and got elected...

I don't think Mhairi Black expected to be elected quite so soon either

But the Green Party should have vetted any candidate a bit more closely, just in case something happened and they did indeed end up winning the seat, whether at Westminster, local council or any other body

I've been a paper candidate for the Labour Party. It's very common in unwinnable seats for all parties. People who are genuinely interested in running a campaign and in being elected will of course go to seats that they stand some chance of winning.

Excellent twitter thread from Dr Em

for all of Dr EM's meticulous work on this disturbing series of events, which has involved a fair few really stomach-churning primary sources

Lots of political party members volunteer to be paper candidates.

Its not a practice restricted to the Greens. They all do it.

I think that 'volunteer' might be a term that is over stretched too. Much arm twisting can and does go on for candidates in places where there is no hope at all.

Lots of Green party members volunteer to be paper candidates.

I wonder how many Green voters volunteer to vote for paper candidates?

I’ve always regarded the Greens as a joke. That their members are happy to take the piss out of the electoral system by standing without any intention of every trying to win is shameful. In sports, “non tryers” are disqualified and punished. Joke party looks even more of a joke. At least the SNP candidates who were surprised to win in the last election have proved to be hard-working. The Greens in the same position would presumably just doss about.

The mother's 'minimal' involvement comment is still bugging me

The Green Party uses 'paper' candidates quite often. I think that Tina Challenor was a paper candidate.

The circumstances for using a paper candidate are usually:

• there is absolutely no hope of getting enough votes to win the election because it's a traditional Labour/Conservative/LibDem seat
• there are a small number of green voters in the ward/constituency and they want to show support for a green candidate.

Paper candidates are not expected to campaign, attend hustings or give interviews. They just lend their name for ballot purposes.

Lots of Green party members volunteer to be paper candidates.

The mother's 'minimal' involvement comment is still bugging me.

Are they saying she was just a stooge, ie. not a real candidate, just a name on a voting slip? Because that's a pretty big betrayal of the 123* people who voted for her.

AC was the local membership secretary, so did AC enlist their mother as a member and put her forward as a candidate, knowing she was only prepared to have 'minimal' involvement? Shame on the Greens (and any other party doing this), if so.

• www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/3169/coventry_city_council_local_elections_results_-_3_may_2018/4

Excellent twitter thread from Dr Em.

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1084385680262877184?s=19

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