Veritas report due tomorrow (Thursday) at midday re: Aimee Challenor

Do they have to publish it? I mean is it obligatory?

"No. And no."

I was about to say well that's that then. But I suspect not. There will be a leak, accusations, and chaos. They might have to publish it to clear up the rumours.

Ah of course - whilst Verita as a dreadful private sector company answered the phones at 5.30pm, the Green Party is shut.

Do they have to publish it? I mean is it obligatory?

No. And no.

That, Datun, is a fine question. Calling them now.

Meanwhile Centre Parcs hopes their guest has a great time

Sherwood Forest (@CPUKSherwood) Tweeted:
@AimeeChallenor Enjoy! We hope you're having a fantastic stay. twitter.com/CP_UK_Sherwood/status/1083392331477323777?s=17

Do they have to publish it? I mean is it obligatory?

You can imagine the smug sanctimony if a "corporate" (the folk devils of the Green Party) announced it was going to publish a report on an oil spill in mid-November, but was still cavilling over the details two months later.

I just spoke to Verita. Their understanding was also that it was due to be published today at 4pm, but publication is by the commissioner not by them. So he said it was in the Green Party's hands.

Interesting.

But wasn't that what the Maxwellisation process allowed for?

I guess is someone has seen it, and raised a shed load of objections around their own incrimination. Maybe even got a lawyer involved.

This isn't happening, is it?

Beatrix Campbell's essay had a link to Andy Healey's stuff: good link and that link is available as a pamphlet from eBay for £2.50. It seems to be a good introduction to the subject of TRA overreach.

So on the off chance it says something, will this mean that every One who was advised by them will receive notification and the suggestion to look Into polices etc??

I think there are two issues, one is the general climate in the Party, with people afraid to challenge - this has created a situation where this could happen, but I think this just mirrors what's going on everywhere else.

The other is the specific question about who knew about DC allegations - so far I only know that two people on the TRA "side" knew - but I don't have complete information. This could have happened because of the climate, but to be fair it's something that might have happened anyway because of individual loyalty. However, it does raise issues about safeguarding being higher on the agenda and it being made absolutely clear to everyone what their responsibilities are.

And that is what the report ought to say...

But having a "side" that has enough influence to override key safeguarding standards is an issue in itself....

I can't fathom how anyone, knowing of the allegations against DC would not feel it important to investigate further.

He should have been suspended immediately. His home should no longer have been used as a local party office. Aimee should have been suspended and investigated wrt using him as their election agent.

I think though that the people withholding information were on the TRA lobby side, not sure yet whether it actually reached others - but I guess we should find out soon.

of course there should be safeguarding processes and it's not good if these weren't followed

But that's the whole point of having them. It protects everyone, including volunteers being bullied by a shouty lobby.

There is no place to hide for the Greens. And no sympathy deserved.

Ever I see what you're saying but a) a political party that allows a climate where members cannot speak freely and feel scared to voice their opinions is a very bad thing b) it wasn't just about people not speaking up. Party members knew what was going on and suppressed the information allegedly - it was seeming more important to safeguard an ideology and a single person who represented it than address a very serious issue.

I'm really don't think that most of the Greens involved in this were fearful.

They were the ones who were helping the Challenors to get an injunction against Andy Healey. Some senior Greens were involved in putting together "evidence" for the Challenors.

There's a difference between not standing up to bullies and actively doing their dirty work for them.

Bunch of idiots at every single level.

But look how scared many of the women on Mumsnet are of saying the wrong thing and it impacting on our jobs and families. I'm not saying that what happened wasn't wrong, but I'm not sure how many of us could look at ourselves and say that we would have stood up against the trans lobby and their shouty supporters either. Most people in the Party are volunteers - of course there should be safeguarding processes and it's not good if these weren't followed - but all of us are fallible under the sort of pressure and fear and sheer unreality that we are experiencing in this climate, I think it's important to not divide people any more but identify that this is a common problem and we need to work together to sort it out.

I wonder if the Green Party ever consider that their constant inability to stick to their own defined deadlines might actually reflect poorly on them as a political party.

This report was supposed to be published in November last year.

It makes them look like they can't even do the absolute basics.

Remember the "Green Party had no knowledge of this" statement that was issued after Challenor was sentenced? Which was quickly deleted when some of their own members gleefully took to social media to contradict it.

Bunch of idiots at every single level.

Holding off publication until after the evening news perhaps?

I haven't seen any sign of the report yet, but there is a (privately) named person (well, she has identified herself) who has been suspended from the Party, so at least one head has rolled.

I'd have thought they would he throwing it in our faces witg 2 fingers up at us at the earliest opportunity.