Veritas report due tomorrow (Thursday) at midday re: Aimee Challenor

BBC covers the Verita report on the local news section.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-46838540

The important thing with Safeguarding is that people in positions of responsibility work at all times within the framework when they are impacting children and/or vulnerable adults
Their understanding and awareness of Safeguarding and Child Protection should inform how risks are recognised, assessed, prevented, managed and /or minimised.

Some policies which are created can risk damaging the Safeguarding frameworks, additionally a lack of understanding of what Safeguarding is means that those who should be protected are not, emerging risks are not identified or prevented etc

“I hope the Lib Dems are paying attention to this.

They won't. And it will bite them on the arse eventually. “

The Lib Dem’s are utterly vile. They are the liars of British politics. They are as dishonest as politicians come.

Anonymous members of a public advisory group?
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The Stonewall clients dismantling safeguarding for girls are taking advice from anonymous members of a trans advocate group. The same clients are willing to exclude parents from knowing about transpeople their children may be in close contact with. Anonymous seems to be flavour of the day when it comes to safeguarding children.

I am also very curious about the members who have chosen the remain anonymous. I hope Stonewall clients like the NSPCC and the Girl Guides, who seek advice on LGBT issues, are briefed on the source and process behind such advice. It would be worrying if the desire for anonymity was because a person felt they would not withstand much public scrutiny.

Lucky LibDems. AC is now a member. Is the Stonewall committee really representative of the TG community, and/or able/willing to articulate the views and concerns of the people it clams to represent. What processes does it use to do so. How does it recruit. Are consistent and objective (like the ability to understand concepts like safeguarding) used?

If not it may be little better than a self appointed, but very influential, clique.

And for ages I got Snakey Brown confused with Gordon’s wife and thought she’d loat the plot Big Time.

Poor snakes. I feel sorry for snakes. 🐍

Forgot the screenshot. Doh

I was looking at the stonewall trans advisory group board, and saw another character who pops up on this board a lot. The final sentence of their bio is too easily humorous 👖🐍

A small thing I plan to do is to point out publicly that Stonewall do not stand for me and I do not support them.
I won't accept them as the default "Voice of the Gays" one second longer.

Now, we just have to get someone to bloody listen and take action

Oh, if only.

This is a scandal. Members of political lobby groups have been allowed to train and influence safeguarding policy without themselves being trained in safeguarding or understanding it

This

Even worse, the schools training actually places the children they are focusing on outside safeguarding frameworks afforded to all other children - eg confidential disclosures.

We seem to have reached the same conclusion Lang from different starting points. Great minds think alike - as with all the other great minds on here.

We are an awesome, collective, critical-thinking, expert, intelligent, analysis machine - better than any AI!!

Now, we just have to get someone to bloody listen and take action to stop this heinous scandal that has been rolled out covertly without informed consent. It really feels like stealthing in a different guise

And not just unfit for purpose advice - but that which could be putting children and many women actively in harms' way - the very antithesis of what safeguarding is supposed to prevent.

Who benefits is the question to ask?

Thus shocking that she is secretary to Stonewall's trans- advisory Committee. Unlike LGB rights, trans rights conflict with other peoples rights and protections. Our society needs to balance these rights appropriately. (My view being that the rights/needs of the vulnerable should be weighted far more heavily than trans rights.) But Veritas seem to be suggesting that Aimee lacks the capacity to understand this. So instead we have from Stonewall: TWAW, #nodebate, and trans-rights are human-rights.

(Rarely has and organisation lived up to its name as Stonewall does. Aimee appears to put it all down to her "autism". I think that suggestion is beyond rude to autistic people. But whatever her problem, Stonewall seems to suffer the same. They deserve each other, but neither deserve to advise anyone.)

Well said.

It isn't just that AC does not have the capacity to understand safeguarding which is utterly damning in itself.

And Stonewall and Prism know all about it and are choosing to do absolutely nothing.

This and worse still - they and Mermaids continue to be very well funded from Govt and multiple sources to give advice that looks as though it could well be unfit for purpose. At least that has to be seriously considered and evaluated.

They have done this without qualification, awareness or regard for the particular needs of or the impact of their policy on vulnerable people and children not part of their lobby group's focus.

Even worse, the schools training actually places the children they are focusing on outside safeguarding frameworks afforded to all other children - eg confidential disclosures.

This is a huge scandal

Yes. And even more huge given that our entire mediating class of politicians, liberal journalists and third sectors orgs are playing the three wise monkeys and pretending they can't see a thing.

And, you know, AC's "interests" are all over the internet.

It isn't just that AC does not have the capacity to understand safeguarding which is utterly damning in itself.

And Stonewall and Prism know all about it and are choosing to do absolutely nothing.

For its size, Mermaids punches well above its weight.
Good point. Both trans organisations, Stonewall wasn't originally but is now.

Any minority organisations? I don't think the Quilliam Foundation or MCB have this level of reach.

I'm struggling to think of organisations that do, with as little oversight.

What is it about trans rights that scares people paid to be safeguarding experts off challenging these two lobby groups?

As above, huge scandal with AC at the heart of it all.
Tumbleweed from all the others organisations who have used and continue to use the advice of AC for guidance. Will they now revisit their ill advised policies?

Agree Knicknack with everything you said.

Where the fuck is the due diligence?

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I aghast reading that. I can’t believe the GP don’t even have a safeguarding lead.

Just after CRB checks came in I was involved in a national children’s organisation. My husband ran the local branch. As an adult living in his house (the correspondence address) I had to have a check done.

The Child Protection Policy as it was called back then was written by an external expert. One year the sh** hit the fan when it emerged that a local organisers husband had been convicted of internet related child sex offences.

She was immediately suspended even though he had no involvement in the group at all. UK office swooped in sending someone to run the group each week and diverting the telephone line and emails until someone could be found to take over. It was made clear that although she couldn’t be responsible for his actions she was in breach of the policy when she failed to inform U.K. office of his arrest and charges instead of waiting for the conviction.

Yes, they handled the press and tried to deflect comments etc but ultimately safeguarding was the priority.

This was sbout 12 years ago when such policies were in their infancy.

Yes AC cannot see what the issue is?

And to add to the above: when people not trained in basic safeguarding, with no understanding of basic safeguarding never mind to the depth a school requires, advise and guide changes in safeguarding policy from the position of a political lobby group, the only purpose their advice and influence can then serve is to further their political agenda.

The government are funding Stonewall to do this.

Where the fuck is the due diligence?