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UN Woman definition of feminism.

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BertrandRussell · 07/01/2019 19:05

“Feminist = a person who believes in & stands up for the political, economic, and social equality of human beings.”

Women-the only disadvantaged group not allowed to centre themselves in their fight for liberation.

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Ereshkigal · 08/01/2019 19:41

If only these organisations would put their interns back in the post room and on coffee duty. I'm sure a lot of this Twitter garbage is because young woke kids with zero life experience are being given free reign on social media.

YY.

PositivelyPERF · 08/01/2019 18:31

Ironically, a year after the UN have been accused of turning a blind eye sexual harassment and assaults of women in it’s offices around the world, they now erase the word women from the definition of feminist.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jan/18/sexual-assault-and-harassment-rife-at-united-nations-staff-claim

CharlyAngelic · 08/01/2019 18:23

I have already self ID ‘d as Spartacus on several threads . Joke of course.
Women have fought for a long time for rights such as voting.
In some countries they have just been allowed to drive.
In some countries they are not allowed an education.
So excuse me , I am an old person !
An “invisible “ according to some author in the media today .
Would you like to self ID as a person that has no rights?
A person that is invisible?
Some biological females have fought hard for many years . All biological females and any other human of any ID is very welcome to help us continue in the recognition of social equality.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 08/01/2019 17:30

Ah. I see the group we're not supposed to be able to identify, the name of which is apparently too dirty to put in print, have now been made responsible for the social needs and equity of the entire human race.

Good luck with that said biological females, walking away from the UN.

HQ we're going to need bigger eye roll emoticons.

CharlyAngelic · 08/01/2019 16:50

It is only going to get worse with all this self identifying .

ErrolTheDragon · 08/01/2019 15:23

Do people in general (and misogynists in particular) actually understand what 'women's liberation' means though, and why it's still necessary?

PositivelyPERF · 08/01/2019 15:15

I couldn’t agree more, Melanippe. We need a few tee shirts with the definition of feminism on them AND a few with Women’s liberation.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/01/2019 15:12

I wonder if perhaps the concept '“Feminist = a person who believes in & stands up for the political, economic, and social equality of human beings.' might come across differently to someone from one of the many cultures in the world where women are second class citizens (if even that!) - in that context I suppose the concept of treating all humans as equal might be radical.

Feminism (obviously) means a lot more, but it needs that basic foundation principle in place doesn't it?

NameChangeForTheNewYear · 08/01/2019 14:50

Jesus wept. How can anyone post a definition of feminism that doesn't mention women or girls and think that's okay?

If only these organisations would put their interns back in the post room and on coffee duty. I'm sure a lot of this Twitter garbage is because young woke kids with zero life experience are being given free reign on social media.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 08/01/2019 13:58

I really think we need to go back to calling it Women's Liberation, there's zero ambiguity as to the target group then.

This!!

CharlyAngelic · 08/01/2019 12:55

Human Beings.
WOMEN / FEMALES SURELY ?

Gronky · 08/01/2019 10:24

I think it's a rather good definition in terms of undermining the misogynists because it casts their vitriol as being anti human rights, a very difficult position to argue from. Otherwise, they could cloak their rhetoric as being from a position of supporting the rights of men.

Beamur · 08/01/2019 09:25

The comments on Twitter are fairly encouraging though.
If you take women out of feminism, what you are left with is not feminism.

JSmitty · 08/01/2019 09:16

The UN is only ever the sum of its parts, with Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights Committee and Putin's Russia with a veto.

Russia's drive for 'traditional values' has effectively decrminalised domestic violence if it's only bruises once a year.

Melanippe · 08/01/2019 08:58

I really think we need to go back to calling it Women's Liberation, there's zero ambiguity as to the target group then.

nauticant · 08/01/2019 08:32

It's in the janeclarejones twitter link above:

twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1081469111975272448

It's from the twitter account of UN Women.

Beamur · 08/01/2019 07:38

OP where did you originally see this quote?

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 08/01/2019 06:43

Black Lives Matter- a group committed to the equality of all, including (especially) white people
Disability rights- a movement aimed at ensuring that nobody is discriminated against, whether disabled or able-bodied
Gay rights groups- fighting for the rights of gay people and heterosexual since the 1960s.

This shit is fucking ridiculous and shows that it's not really about trans people at all- it's about a wide-scale societal dismantling of feminism. The plan is firstly to make feminists hated through the terf thing, then to deny that the liberation of women is actually necessary or even a thing. Feminism is now about men (reminds me of Laurie Penny the other day tweeting for male experiences of feminism). Hurrah, welcome to Gilead.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 08/01/2019 06:35

And where’s the mention of SEX discrimination not fucking gender

Goddess how they twist their words in the names of including and appeasing men

womanformallyknownaswoman · 08/01/2019 06:32

So women are erased again - by the UN

And women covertly reduced to doing all the emotional and moral labour on behalf of the whole world whilst men get on with the serious business of running it.

Fuck Off

How come all these organisations employ such thick people who obviously have never been taught to critically think - is here a job club for placing those with least competence in positions of influence?

SignMeUp · 08/01/2019 03:41

Unbelievable! I looked for the source but found this instead on the UN Women site
^Concepts and definitions
Development of an adequate understanding of mainstreaming requires clarity on the related concepts of gender and equality.

Equality between women and men (gender equality): refers to the equal rights, responsibilities and opportunities of women and men and girls and boys. Equality does not mean that women and men will become the same but that women’s and men’s rights, responsibilities and opportunities will not depend on whether they are born male or female. Gender equality implies that the interests, needs and priorities of both women and men are taken into consideration, recognizing the diversity of different groups of women and men. Gender equality is not a women’s issue but should concern and fully engage men as well as women. Equality between women and men is seen both as a human rights issue and as a precondition for, and indicator of, sustainable people-centered development.

Gender: refers to the social attributes and opportunities associated with being male and female and the relationships between women and men and girls and boys, as well as the relations between women and those between men. These attributes, opportunities and relationships are socially constructed and are learned through socialization processes. They are context/ time-specific and changeable. Gender determines what is expected, allowed and valued in a women or a man in a given context. In most societies there are differences and inequalities between women and men in responsibilities assigned, activities undertaken, access to and control over resources, as well as decision-making opportunities. Gender is part of the broader socio-cultural context. Other important criteria for socio-cultural analysis include class, race, poverty level, ethnic group and age^.

GeorgeFayne · 07/01/2019 23:17

Unbelievable! Amazing what a difference a word makes.

I would rephrase: "Feminist: a person who believes in & stands up for the political, economic, and social equality of female human beings."

Time to find a new children's charity to support. Plenty of good ones out there...

Beamur · 07/01/2019 23:03

Changed a bit from Emma Watson speech for the UN only 4/5 years ago
www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2014/9/emma-watson-gender-equality-is-your-issue-too

powershowerforanhour · 07/01/2019 22:55

What a load of toss.

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