Wall Street Journal article on ROGD - When Your Daughter Defies Biology

I came across this USA-based website I'd not seen before, by & for parents of ROGD youth. I've not read through it in entirety, & don't know who's behind it, but at first glance it looks like a useful GC resource:

www.parentsofrogdkids.com

The writer of the NYT piece, Jennifer Finney Boylan, is 60. It looks like they came out as transgender in their 40s after having been married and having 2 kids.

They rely on their trans identity for their livelihood.

The piece says ROGD is a political term, it comes from the right, and is fictional. Their counter-argument seems to be that it can't be true because it's not kind.

Edit the definition of cotton ceiling to the correct meaning. We know what it means. Dont let them do this bullish ir. Truth matters

A NYTimes columnist who is transgender has written a response to the WSJ article on ROGD:

www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/opinion/trans-teen-transition.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage#commentsContainer

Yes, the Wikipedia cotton ceiling page is currently unprotected, so anyone can edit it.

Also, I was mistaken when I said the side-by-side version that nauticant originally linked to had "disappeared". I should've said it's been displaced. It still can be seen by clicking on the "view history" box in the right upper corner:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_ceiling

Anyone can make wiki edits though, right? So they are not known for their reliability.
I would never rely on wiki for actual facts.
Sadly kids probably do.

nauticant That Wikipedia page has disappeared! In the new one, the TRAs' views come out on top. Surprise, surprise.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_ceiling

Yes, it's not often you can see the actual workings of a clerk/editor in the Records Department of the Ministry of Truth.

Nauticant thanks for that link! Fascinating that Wikipedia is showing the old definition/entry & the new one - written just days ago, on 4 Jan 2019 - side by side. It's such a good example of the way TRAs are constantly manipulating language, changing definitions, & shifting goal-posts to sow confusion & get everyone else to fear saying the wrong thing.

I found it hilarious that TRA transwomen actually went to Wikipedia & insisted they change the "cotton ceiling" page to make it clear that it refers to transwomen's underwear, not the underwear of the lesbians transwomen are always trying to bully into having sex with them. These guys always have to be centered, don't they? It's always all about them. (Them & their fucking fetishes for wearing ladies undergarments coz that's what makes their dicks hard. Sheesh.)

However, I was disturbed by the deeper implications of the new definition. Used to be, the cotton ceiling was seen as a barrier protecting lesbians from the sexual incursions of transwomen, & that definition of the term implicitly portrayed the transwomen as interlopers & aggressors. But the new definition makes the cotton ceiling seem like it's another oppressive barrier that transphobic "cis" people, in this case specifically lesbians, have cruelly imposed on transwomen to deprive them of their rights & make their lives miserable.

Soon enough we'll probably be told that "not cottoning to" the sexual demands transwomen make of lesbians is "literal violence" just like misgendering. Fortunately, we women have "cottoned on" to what these guys are doing.

*FRONT HOLE: We use this word to talk about internal genitals, sometimes referred to as a vagina. A front hole may self-lubricate, depending on age and hormones.

STRAPLESS: We use this word to describe the genitals of trans women who have not had genital reconstruction (or “bottom surgery”), sometimes referred to as a penis.

VAGINA: We use this word to talk about the genitals of trans women who have had bottom surgery.*

I get feminine care from PP. My next appt is this summer. I'm planning to bring this shit with me, wave it in my doctors' face, and ask her to explain what the fuck is going on.

I mean what the actual fuck!

Thats dreadful nauticant

FFS, Nauticant.

I've just realised that the current Wikipedia entry for "cotton ceiling" says this:

A play on the similar term "glass ceiling"[2], the "cotton" refers to trans women's underwear as an example of how their perceived genitalia prevents them from being recognized as women.[3][4]

Note the "trans women's underwear". It looks like last month trans activists were horrified to realise that we'd mistakenly understood the term to mean breaking into lesbians' underwear rather than transwomen escaping from theirs.

The edit is justified here:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cotton_ceiling&diff=876817021&oldid=872968998

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/adbh9s/when_your_daughter_defies_biology_the_burden_of/

As I subscribe to the WSJ & know how hard it is for non-subscribers to access its content, I posted this article on ROGD earlier today, knowing at the time that MN would eventually take it down due to copyright. I have no problems with that, as I am a big believer in laws protecting creators's rights to their own intellectual property.

But I do have a problem with MN replacing my post with "Message withdrawn at poster's request." I made no such request.

Bittersweet - I really hope we learn in time as well.

If all that is true about PP, I am sadly disappointed in them. If any organisation should be supporting women - and not throwing them under a bus - it should be PP.

Seriously? Is someone trolling the US via Planned Parenthood? Do they not fact-check the materials they are given?
Talk about undermining your own work. I hope the brochure explains that front hole intercourse with a strapless can lead to pregnancy.

PP also hands out that infamous brochure "Safer Sex For Trans Bodies" which teaches young people that the correct names for their genitals are:

DICK: We use this word to describe external genitals. Dicks come in all shapes and sizes and can belong to people of all genders. (NB: transmen - natal females - typically refer to their clitorises as dicks, penises, cocks & so on)

FRONT HOLE: We use this word to talk about internal genitals, sometimes referred to as a vagina. A front hole may self-lubricate, depending on age and hormones.

STRAPLESS: We use this word to describe the genitals of trans women who have not had genital reconstruction (or “bottom surgery”), sometimes referred to as a penis.

VAGINA: We use this word to talk about the genitals of trans women who have had bottom surgery.

WTF, right? And I love how now only trans gals who've had SRS get to have vaginas while us natal females are stuck with front holes.

PP has funding from the Pritzker family.

Planned Parenthood are also the ones who hosted the cotton ceiling workshop. (How to break down the resistance of lesbians to sex with bepenised transwomen).

It is a good article. And has that horrible ring of truth to it, that will send a chill into the heart of parents of girls everywhere.

As it's such a widespread phenomenon, I can only hope that the sheer number of young girls being caught up in it will bring it to the fore that much quicker.

I think this is the first mainstream US article to talk about ROGD? Finally! It's a strong article.

ImPreCis Planned Parenthood is a major force in this. Though services provided vary amongst the different individual PP affiliates, most of them are now heavily focused on helping both natal males & females transition.

My local PP offers not just the usual cross-sex hormones, but transgender HIV-related care, as well as guidance on "silicone pumping" for transwomen who want bigger, rounder breasts, butts & hips. The days when PP was a place primarily for females to access contraception, abortions, smears & other gyn services are long, long gone.

That's one of the gut-wrenching things, isn't it? Every organisation founded to be kind and generous and to ensure that people were valued and wanted -- they've been enthusiastic about affirming and supporting transgender identities, because that's their default. Be kind, be tolerant, understand how someone might feel, work to make them feel better.

The naturally heartless and dickish have had much less time for the ideology.

I didn’t realise that Planned Parenthood are mixed up in this. A ‘horns of a dilemma’ moment as I find yet another organisation that I can no longer support.