Sunday Times covers Paedophiles on Twitter

Well-known not well-rounded, autocorrect is being too clever for its own good sorry

If you ignore the risk, and convince yourself that this is just a bigot's plot to smear LGBT
Doubt it is just that. But that's part of the reason these accounts keep popping up. Does that create an environment paedophiles feel secure in? Probably. Does it encourage more to network? Probably. All those other things written are probably correct.
But I can say that the tactic of conflating paedophilia with homosexuality is a well-rounded one and it's clearly at work here.

Trolls have been posing as members of the LGBTQ community for years. They lobby for "P" to be added to the LGBTQ umbrella as a means of turning the public against LGBTQ groups. It's fairly effective, too. The goal is to make it appear as if the gay community supports pedophilia, beastiality and other depravities - because if they do, it means the "risks" of the anti-gay groups were real all along.
This is a common attack on 4chan. There might be other motivations but this is almost certainly one of them.
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There are far more men willing to abuse children than we think. Some are not compelled to, but the evidence in terms of offending suggests the number one predictor for child sex abuse is sharing a bedroom with an adult male (hence why it is so high in poor communities) which suggests a lot of abuse is opportunistic.

It's YOUR responsibility to not absorb and accept as true all information that happens to confirm your existing biases

I have no such responsibility, and I never said I assumed all the tweeters were real. Don't care if they're trolls or not, timetostepup explains why very well..

It is my responsibility to protect my children, and ensuring pro-paedophile tweets aren't allowed to stand, plus challenging breaches to safeguarding are both parts of that.

They can be added to the LGBT umbrella, and then they can march at Pride. See how that goes.

And the Pride organisers would probably be far more welcoming to them than they were to Julia Long & co with the Lesbians are Female Homosexuals banner.

Those are terrific posts timetostepup.

The wilfully blind are a bloody menace.

Twitter are making it very clear currently, that twitter is a place that paedophiles can network.

Even if some of the accounts are trolls, genuine paedophiles will quickly see that they can operate there.

Don't be so naive, seriously.

not2daysanta this is a complex issue with many different groups of people involved.

Yes, there are groups of bigots who want to smear LGBT.

But, that's not the whole picture, and if you ignore the presence and influence of paedophiles, convincing yourself that there's nothing to worry about here, then you're opening the door to paedophiles, who will abuse the naivety of people like you.

For example, in the 80s, in Islington in London, gay men were encouraged to apply for, and work with children. Most gay men, same as most men, are not a risk to children, of course. But what happened in Islington was that the gay men were given positions in children's homes without proper background checks. The Equal Ops panel was allowed to overrule the recruiting panel and to influence the disciplinary process. Paedophiles noted this and moved in. Islington children's homes became overrun with paedophiles.

Ignoring safeguarding put children at risk, and children were abused.

There are also links to paedophiles through the furries scene, and there are links through some parts of trans culture and anime, to cartoon depictions of CSE and fetishisation and sexualisation of very young characters.

Jess Bradley, trans officer currently suspended from the NUS while investigations (supposedly) happen, was found to have a blog with images of flashing "her" erect penis in public alongside cartoons depicting rape of a child by his father.

Public figures such as Dr James Cantor are publicly saying they want the P included in LGBT.

The numbers of people caught downloading child sex abuse images are huge.

Paedophiles have a long history of trying to gain public acceptance in the UK. Have you heard of PIE? (The Paedophile Information Exchange?) The shocking thing is not so much the existence of PIE as a group, but how many people - including politicians - went along with their stance.

spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/timeline/

If you ignore the risk, and convince yourself that this is just a bigot's plot to smear LGBT, you put that very community at risk of infiltration as paedophiles target those positions that are above suspicion - teachers, priests, community leaders, and LGBT if you treat them as above suspicion also.

It's quite possible that all these pro-paedophile tweets are by trolls. But does it matter? They are posting pro-paedophile content on Twitter. Unless Twitter believes in complete freedom of expression, which it clearly doesn't, there's a strong case for removing the tweets.

Despite being a very clever chap, James Cantor seems to be taking the tweets at face value.

Boatyardblues.

You're being obtuse. The burden of proof isn't on me to prove that there IS NOT an issue (despite that, I've provided evidence). It's on each individual to critically evaluate an issue before ignorantly jumping on the bandwagon.

You do realise that the very action of sharing and discussing this topic here (without taking even basic precautions to ensure it's not misinformation), stands only to amplify this story - thus helping the trolls to achieve their goal.

"Ineedacupofteadesperately" - bizarre take. Why would the LGBTQ community amplify this story. Again, that serves to benefit nobody except the trolls. It's YOUR responsibility to not absorb and accept as true all information that happens to confirm your existing biases.

I also think its not on to state all of this is trolls making miscoef. Short of thorough investigation and analysis, you have zero evidence to assert that is what’s currently happening on Twitter. And even if only 5%, say, are genuine we still have a problematic population operating and recruiting in plain sight.

The goal is to make it appear as if the gay community supports pedophilia, beastiality and other depravities - because if they do, it means the "risks" of the anti-gay groups were real all along

The gay community has it within its power to counter this by supporting safeguarding of children and speaking out loudly against anyone who suggests otherwise (e.g. girlguiding)

Thermidorian reactions in history highlight that shifts in attitude and power can be wiped out and I'm apprehensive that this might happened to LGB because of the ideology of a group with questionable motives who may be practising entryism.

For historians of revolutionary movements, the term Thermidor has come to mean the phase in some revolutions when power slips from the hands of the original revolutionary leadership and a radical regime is replaced by a more conservative regime, sometimes to the point where the political pendulum may swing back towards something resembling a pre-revolutionary state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidorian_Reaction

Don't believe everything you read.

Trolls have been posing as members of the LGBTQ community for years. They lobby for "P" to be added to the LGBTQ umbrella as a means of turning the public against LGBTQ groups. It's fairly effective, too.

The goal is to make it appear as if the gay community supports pedophilia, beastiality and other depravities - because if they do, it means the "risks" of the anti-gay groups were real all along.

More here: www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/posing-gay-men-twitter-troll-goes-viral-attempts-falsely-tie-n954721

Stop taking everything at face-value.

indieshuffle absolutely agree

Cantor is reprehensible. There are ways to argue for prevention

It's nonetheless working to
i) broaden awareness of his name/wokeness which is quite tricky given how entrenched this stuff is in Canada;
ii) boost his self-satisfaction at his own rationality and precise use of language that others are too emotional to accept at the value of its semantic precision.

He's arguing for access to provision for remediation plus the wider principle of universal basic human rights.

twitter.com/JamesCantorPhD/status/1081306277052071936

And, seeing how often tone policing is used to close down discussions - I'm not sure that I can react to his chosen mode of self-aggrandisement. (Mirroring his pomposity here.)

Re the issue of many MAPs being young (or claiming to be): the article feministfairy linked to above is about drag queen Crystal Couture, a paedophile convicted of 4 counts of boy child rape when Couture was 15 or 16. Couture went on the defy the court's order to stay away from kids, getting jobs teaching them dance & gymnastics.

The new craze for boys becoming kiddie & teenage drag queens (Desmond, Lactacia & Jamie of the stage show & movie fame) is looking more & more suspect. Same goes for those supposedly fun, fabulous & innocent Drag Queen Story Time events now being held in schools & libraries for tots.

Cantor is reprehensible. There are ways to argue for prevention, but what he is tweeting just smacks of (alarming) self interest to me.

NewYearBetterHealth I am all for preventative measures being taken, but the trouble is that whilst any befriending groups may have benefits, these groups are also highly susceptible to infiltration by other paedophiles (since we know this is how they operate) and reduced reoffending could also be attributed to a better network keeping the crimes secret, or of managing behaviour in other ways.

IMO, groups that seek to help in this way this need proper and rigorous professional supervision, including by the police and MH professionals, and probably including random surveillance. It is the only way you can make sure that the groups don't get corrupted.

And the psychological pressure by many abusers to normalise their behaviour is relentless.

feminist OMG, that story is appalling! Please leave that on the thread about the Drag Queen Story Hour/Time for little kids as well.

radio 4 program about befrienders of convicted paedophiles. And the surprising thing was that befriending, and family support dramatically cuts reoffending.

I remember reading about a befriending programme like that - possibly involving very active church members - and it was very successful but ultimately unsustainable beyond a certain number because it was so resource intensive.

Just leaving this here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6143783/British-Airways-hires-convicted-paedophile-drag-queen-Gay-Pride-celebrations.html

GTFO with putting paedophilia under the LGBT umbrella

THIS!

Cantor was bleating some nonsense about ot being scientifically proven that paedophilia was innate/couldn’t be helped and therefore should be put in with LGBT. But there is no logical reason for all sexualities to be shoved into that grouping. Lesbian and gay couples are consenting adults. If they’re in a relationship, it’s visible. So it’s important that such visibility does not impact upon their human rights.

Other groups/sexualities, such as asexuality or fetishes can be exercised completely in private, therefore no visibility, therefore no public disadvantage. Paedophilia should not be acted on at all, therefore no chance of loss of job or housing problems which would require legal protection.

Or is the suggestion that we must all be able to publically reveal what goes on inside our heads when we’re turned on without reprisals? Why should that be necessary? I get that it might be easier if everyone could talk with absolute honesty, but it’s not the same as being same sex attracted, but having to hide it for no logical reason.

If many are labelling themselves as lesbians as someone says above at the same time as men in drag who are normally associated with the gay scene are reading library stories to children, what will be the result? Lesbians get lumped with the paedos and gay men are recast as motherly role models. They are following the well used TRA tactic - hide behind the women. Despicable.

There is a difference in targeted support for non offending purposes, and general acceptance. A bit like the difference between an AA meeting, and a load of people joking about how much they put away last weekend. Except much much worse.
Appalling