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Transmen confronted by security guards at men's toilet

32 replies

Juells · 04/01/2019 21:34

I found this baffling.

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/12/21/transgender-students-win-apology-told-use-gender-neutral-toilets/

Can you imagine that happening to transwomen in a university? The implication is pretty obvious, isn't it?

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littlbrowndog · 05/01/2019 22:30

Och they both look like women
The guard was right
They can’t be expected to know the ladie# were not dudes
Feck
Them 2 were being goady idiots
They should have gone to the neutral loos

FlyingOink · 05/01/2019 19:36

I read the story like this: contract security staff member working at evening event sees two females going into the gents. Security agent may have had prior experience of or suspicion of any of the following: the two were going in to have sex (not allowed) do drugs (not allowed) sell drugs (not allowed) sell themselves (not allowed) or may have put themselves in danger (if they had been attacked in the gents and CCTV showed the security agent saw it, is the agent then at risk of being fired at the least?)
Security person then asks for ID. Asks why they didn't use an alternative facility. Is met with outrage. Explains he has been tasked with asking for ID if there is suspicious behaviour.
The two students get their story in the telegraph and the security officer gets a reprimand for not being a mind reader.

Honestly, what else could that person have done? Turn a blind eye completely? What's the point of hiring security if they aren't allowed to challenge anyone? Also, neither of the students is identifiable as a man based on outward appearance, so is the security person expected to gauge their gender identity from their aura?

ScipioAfricanus · 05/01/2019 18:03

from going not from long

ScipioAfricanus · 05/01/2019 18:02

I don’t see why they couldn’t have respected all the men who would rather not have them in their toilet and have used the unisex toilets.

I appreciate that trans men may have been stopped more than trans women, and that going to the men’s toilet as a biological woman is a different power dynamic from long to the women’s toilet as a biological man, but these people seem just as entitled and ridiculously impressed by their own supposed uniqueness as the trans women riding rough shod over others’ voices.

Bowlofbabelfish · 05/01/2019 17:58

What is a gender neutral loo anyway?

It’s a mixed sex loo. Call it what it is. Mixed sex.

Bowlofbabelfish · 05/01/2019 17:58

It’s interesting because of the double standard. Transwomen were allowed in Hampstead pond female pool for example, but the police were called on the Man Friday protestors.

It’s interesting because when men exert their right to a single sex space, they are backed (security removed the person) but when women try to exert the same right, they’re told they are bigots.

The interesting thing is the different ways each sex is respected.

RussellSprout · 05/01/2019 17:37

What's baffling? That a security guard would not tell a transwoman off for being in the ladies, as opposed to using the gender neutral loos?