Transmen confronted by security guards at men's toilet

Blokes toilets are often pretty grim to be fair. When I worked in an office my fellow men would often use the ladies in the instance they needed a John Woo and there were none of our female team members on the floor that day.

I reckon it’s time for a new coalition, female and male, called Pissing in Peace: save our bladders from your validatory battlegrounds.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I disagree with the last few posts. There's nothing to suggest men's complaining resulted in the guard confronting those two. It's much more likely the guard noticed the behaviour was odd, and that they'd be at risk in the gents (or the guard has previous experience of women selling blowjobs in the gents, it happens). Either way I very much doubt a young man complained and that's the cause of the action.
Assuming that is the case when it not clear that it is means writing off the different reactions as just sexism: man complains and something is done, woman complains and is called a TERF.
Whereas in this case the guard is much more likely to have acted to prevent something worse happening, and looking out for the two. Because I'm pretty sure that as a security guard he would have seen plenty of examples of violence including possibly sexual violence.
So the question is why does this reaction not happen when a man goes into the women's? Well I think it does. A man identifiable as a man is challenged.
OTOH, a transwoman isn't seen as a man, not a proper, scary, possibly violent man, by other men. As per previous posters on other threads, men assume that giving up manhood to "downgrade" to being a laydee means that person doesn't have the cojones to be violent or sexually aggressive. This assumption, that "sissies" pose no danger, means women have a hard time convincing men we don't want them in our spaces.
I'd bet £10 a random security guard would have no problem chucking Danielle Muscato out of a loo, but would assume Jenner was ok. Because one has stubble and the other wears thousands of pounds worth of designer gear. Ironically the latter is probably much bigger and stronger.

NGS security finished their response with:

“It has now been clarified to all concerned that any person can use whichever toilet aligns with their gender identity."

I’m envisioning the boss, throwing his/her hands up in the air and saying, “FFS! We can’t do right for doing wrong. Let them go wherever the fuck they want!”

Seems to me that the problem here isn't that the two female people in this case were thrown out of the men's, but that their male equivalents wouldn't have been thrown out of the women's.

Frowns at the concept of gander's penis sauce

Men are just as firm about enforcing the "no women allowed" rules as they are in insisting TWAW.

In general, women don't want men in their toilets because of fear for their own safety and for comfort/dignity.

In general, men don't want women in their toilets for comfort/dignity.

There's a fair amount of overlap. It's just that men have little concern about being physically overpowered and raped by transmen.

Crikey, posting on a phone makes all sorts of odd substitutions... A bit like Tesco 😀

I'm with the security guard too. Men deserve privacy and dignity as well.

There's a GN loo. Use that. This is the hit you take. Sorry

Or do I mean I agree with the men. Transwomen get to make that decision, do transmen should too. And did any man who feels uncomfortable.

I seem to have misplaced my sense of right/wrong/equitable!!

Yup! I fully support the security guard here.

Now, if only they'd do the same when transwomen try to use the female facility...

If it's daft one way then it's daft the other. There can be no 2tier system (hollow laugh)

Men don’t want women in their loos either. And they shouldn’t have to put up with it. I fully support men on this one.

The thing is though - when men say no, the security guards get involved. When women say no, they are met with an entirely different reaction.

Security guard missed the recent training session on "how to sense the gendered soul of patrons" and now look what happens.

What is a gender neutral loo anyway?

It’s a mixed sex loo. Call it what it is. Mixed sex.

Think we need a t-shirt with this on Bowl!!

I don't know if it's just shy men. Ever see a bloke finding a lost child? He desperately looks for a woman to fob the child off onto. Actual false accusations may be rare but men are terrified of them. I can imagine a bloke with his willy out isn't going to feel comfortable if two girls walk in.
In the grand scheme of things it's hardly the biggest issue with self-id but I'm sure it'll get plenty of traction.

They are women. They should use the women's bogs, and if that makes them feel uncomfortable they can use the mixed sex ones. Not baffling at all.

Maybe men don’t want femaleswhoidentfyasmsles seeing their todger whilst taking a pee.

Then there's going to be a lot of shy men should the push for mixed sex loos gain traction, aren't there. Poor lambs.

And they should be wearing T-shirt’s with that on it so the rest of us know
Wee whiny idiots in block capitals

Wee whiny idiots is what they should self identify as

Maybe men don’t want femaleswhoidentfyasmsles seeing their todger whilst taking a pee.

Oh yeps bowl
The mixed sex loo