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Everyone’s favourite women’s officer at it again

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 03/01/2019 08:22

New target: Dr Louise Moody at York University. Deaf, lesbian, gender critical and precariously employed junior academic. She makes an innocuous joke about LM’s announcement on twitter about ‘coming out’ as a lesbian (ie being heterosexual). Cue a swift complaint to York asking for Louise to be fired, insinuating that LM is a student there themselves. Followed by lots of toady support by mainly males asking for this person to be ‘dealt with’. Including a female academic called Dr Jo Grady who uses terf-blocker and thinks it’s really cool to throw a disabled lesbian who is precariously employed under the bus. She has also commanded York to deal with the situation.

This is getting out of hand. Solidarity with Louise. I hope you’re okay. I actually blame people like Dr Grady more than LM, who clearly has serious issues. But how you can publicly call for someone’s sacking for this when you know what academia is like and how difficult it is for women, POC and disabled people is breathtaking. This is a lesbian woman who takes issue with a heterosexual male appropriating her marginalised status. Same as POC would presumably take issue if a white man started talking about his struggles being trans-black.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/01/2019 19:06

morning

Its a dumb twitter post anyway

Ill bet that 90%, if not more, of the population would be considered to be a TERF

Loads of people arent able to go home for Christmas...

morningtoncrescent62 · 04/01/2019 19:04

SirVix I completely agree. There was a twitter post from a young trans person that I came across a couple of days ago, can't remember who, could have been Madigan but might equally have been someone else. It was along the lines of "I bet there isn't a single TERF who was unable to go home for Christmas while lots of trans people have been made to feel unwelcome in their families". Now, much as I sympathise with any trans people who've been thrown out on the streets by their parents, the post shows shocking levels of ignorance given that a lot of the women who are slurred as TERFS will have come out as lesbian in the 70s and 80s when the response was exactly that - you're a pervert, don't bother coming home. It happened to me and many others I hung out with at the time, it's horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but it's vile to use such an experience to play victim trumps, especially without doing a bit of research on what life was like for lesbians 30/40 years ago.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/01/2019 18:50

Thats like the pigeon one

Can we not do the pigeon one anymore? I like the pigeon one

nauticant · 04/01/2019 18:49

I could not possibly comment Rufus.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 04/01/2019 18:49

Lesbians can be violent too! I guess these days more so as some (whispers) have willies.

FWRLurker · 04/01/2019 18:47

Or straight. The horror. Mum would be straight on the phone to the vicar.

TBH I'd perhaps be more relieved if my daughter came out as gay since she won't have to deal with male violence to the same degree. Not of course to imply that lesbians don't deal with male violence at all - they are however avoiding the largest single risk factor for male violence...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/01/2019 18:45

Oooh the pig one....

Of course!!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 04/01/2019 18:44

Or straight. The horror. Mum would be straight on the phone to the vicar.

EJennings · 04/01/2019 18:35

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Katvonbatshit · 04/01/2019 18:31

Tinselangel and nauticant Grin

Katvonbatshit · 04/01/2019 18:28

Apparently LM's dad is friends with LM on Facebook. If they bang on about chasing "cute" girls as much as they do on twitter, I'm sure LM's dad realised that they were straight.

nauticant · 04/01/2019 18:25

I would paraphrase it as:

Don't let others define the way you engage in an argument because you'll end up engaging in a way that suits them rather than you.

Lucky not to get banned over that I suppose.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/01/2019 18:18

Goodness nauticant what was the quote??

Was it the rat on a string one...just say yes or no

I know you can't requote Grin

nauticant · 04/01/2019 17:56

I'm a proper edgelord me what with my handful of Twain, Shaw, and Churchill quotes.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/01/2019 17:53

Mark Twain ? Goodness. Sorry I missed that.
Maybe we all need to comment through the medium of literary classics.

nauticant · 04/01/2019 17:51

Well, this thread is a bit delete-tastic. I got one deleted for posting a quote attributed to Mark Twain.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/01/2019 17:43

Re the coming out thing, it is also extremely insulting to men and women for whom coming out to parents was a frightening prospect.
I have a gay friend who will be 60 this year. He never told his father that he was gay, he is enjoying a freedom now with his sexuality that was impossible for him as a young man . There is much more acceptance now of homosexuality than when he was young.
That is also why I find it so hard that so many gay men are behind people like Madigan. Do they not have older friends ? Don’t they know that for some people coming out ended all relations with their family ? That people married just to avoid the stigma of being gay ?
To appropriate that experience is a disgusting thing to do. To pretend that as a male person, telling your Dad that you have a girlfriend, is anything like what so many homosexual people went through, and are still going through, is a terrible thing to do. Why is LM not being widely condemned for this ?
Is obviously a lie anyway, i’m sure that Madigan’s Dad knew about a girlfriend.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/01/2019 17:32

TinselAngel - Grin

VickyEadie · 04/01/2019 17:31

It is completely ridiculous to claim that 'coming out' to your parents as gay is the same if you are attracted to people of the opposite sex

Quite. I think the notion that a father who has known his male child since birth (complete with male tackle that said father has seen and knows is there), who has probably known that the son also has a girlfriend - being told 'I like girls' by the son - is any sort of "coming out" is quite ridiculous.

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 17:26

Exactly merrymouse. It's pure appropriation.

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 17:25

I see the belief/meme that TWAW, in the face of no convincing evidence that they are and plenty of demonstrations that they are not, as a collective mania.

merrymouse · 04/01/2019 17:24

It is completely ridiculous to claim that 'coming out' to your parents as gay is the same if you are attracted to people of the opposite sex, for practical reasons if nothing else:

  • Not illegal to have heterosexual sex anywhere in the world
  • Heterosexual marriages are recognised everywhere
  • No religion cares about heterosexual sex as long as you are married (and see second point).
  • Possible to conceive grandchild with partner
  • No danger in dark dystopian future where women can't work or own property (some parts of the world now, Britain in 1800's), that lesbian daughter will have to marry man just to put roof over head.
TinselAngel · 04/01/2019 17:16

Some are born with protected characteristics, some achieve protected characteristics, and some have protected characteristics thrust upon 'em.

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 17:11

Lesbians are biological women solely attracted to other biological women. Liking cock and male bodied people is great, it just makes you bisexual or straight. Why would you want to obfusticate and lie about that?

Unless it's because you have a personal agenda of gently training women that its perfectly normal for/all good lesbians do cock like good girls when told, and everybody who's anybody is doing it. And that the concept of biological sex should be muddled and blurred out because reality is so damned inconvenient.

This.

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 17:10

I remember a time when I would see things like this, experience strong cognitive dissonance with my belief that TWAW, then not knowing what to do with it... turning off my brain and dismissing the writer as a TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT.

Yes. I think that is exactly what happens.