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How to report paedophiles on Twitter?

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timetostepup · 03/01/2019 01:56

A bunch of people who claim to be "non offending" paedophiles have joined twitter recently. They're openly tweeting about being paedophiles. They call themselves MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons) or NOMAPS. Their bios contain info such as the age of children they're attracted to.

I've reported some of them using Twitter's link for reporting Child Sexual Exploitation but I'm not sure if that's the right place as there's no evidence of any child being involved, also I reported them 3 days ago but the accounts are still up and I haven't had anything more than a confirmation - and I don't have a lot faith in twitter at the moment tbh.

They're claiming they're not a threat because they control their urge to offend. But we've been here before haven't we - this is just like PIE.

What should we do? Who can we report this to? Would the police be interested? Are they breaking the law?

Should we mass report Twitter on this?

I've attached an example, to find the others use the hashtags MAP or NOMAP or search for "MAP community".

What's the best way to deal with this?

How to report paedophiles on Twitter?
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Missyagravation · 03/01/2019 23:56

Fuck 4chan, trolling my arse. Years ago I heard about them via a different site, thought ok I'll have a wee browse. Within 1 minute I saw a dodgy (child porn) picture Sad and noped the fuck out of there.

4chan can be amusing at times, but social justice trolling nah, they are the cesspool of the human race.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/01/2019 23:35

The argument is that public acceptance etc will help these people to resist the temptation to offend.

So if you were, say, a recovered alcoholic, would it make you more or less likely to fall off the wagon if you spent lots of time hanging out (virtually or in RL) with other (possibly) recovered alcoholics discussing what kinds of alcoholic drink you would enjoy if you weren't recovered?

scotsheather · 03/01/2019 22:23

Its been speculated for years the paedophile activists would start appropriating the LGBT movement. Becoming more real than we could have imagined. Sick little f**ks.

deepwatersolo · 03/01/2019 22:14

I am also worried about the normalization of MAP. Looking at the profiles quite some overlap with furries, zoowhatever, also trans. That said, at least considering the MAP are already there, isn‘t it good there is strong NoMAP presence as a counter-point. Paedophilia is pervasive in Society (0.5%-3%), I imagine for those affected the presence of a well argued ‚virtuous‘ community with strict no-contact line will be helpful to choose the right path. Am I wrong?

From what I gather now, NoMAP means nothing whatsoever that abuses children, including no CP. However some seem to be pro-Loli (apparently drawn pornographic Anime stuff) and/or pro-Doll. I have previously read that therapists often work with drawn pictures with paedo clients to manage their sexuality without victims. Could dolls be the next step?
I think if it would reduce offence probability, I‘d be for that. But it could as easily go the other way, by lowering the barrier, specifically the (close to live experience) doll thing, no?

Vegilante · 03/01/2019 21:50

Here's the link to the journal article itself, which the journal Sexuality & Culture published in April, not December as Christiantoday.com claims:

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-018-9519-1

Imnobody4 · 03/01/2019 21:33

PIE is definitely back. Tim O'Carroll has written an article for a journal, same old rationalisation.
www.christiantoday.com/amp/academic-journal-to-feature-convicted-paedophiles-case-for-relationships-with-children/131156.htm?__twitter_impression=true

Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 20:49

Surely it's still normalising the idea? Hiding in plain sight is what springs to mind sadly.

deepwatersolo · 03/01/2019 17:52

Not sure it is so clear cut VickyEadie. I have randomly looked through twitter, and have repeatedly found the statement that nomaps believe that children cannot consent and it is therefore always abuse. One account (HappyFriendly4) says something about trying to change MAP minds, as she herself suffered CSA. That account is clearly positioned imo.

But then again, you get a lot of Tweets with hashtags for MAP and NOMAP and mappositivity (!), and of course ‚love is love‘ where it all seems to be considered ‚one‘. Hm.

VickyEadie · 03/01/2019 17:14

I don't believe for a single minute that these 'Nomap' people are innocent of involvement in some kind of abuse. At the very least they'll have looked at online child abuse.

A genuine paedophile who wanted not to offend would simply seek help. He would not put himself on to social media for the whole world to see - that's seeking validation, socialisation and acceptance.

TimeLady · 03/01/2019 16:48

It may be the authorities are already aware of these twitter accounts and it's easier to keep an eye on the persons involved if they're out in the open. Or am I just being horribly optimistic?

deepwatersolo · 03/01/2019 16:31

Yeah, whether nomap considers child porn or teleconference abuse (some families in Southeast Asia sell camera time with their kids) is fair game is obviously another relevant question.

deepwatersolo · 03/01/2019 16:25

The man in the documentary who outed himself never offended according to his word and his record.

Also, several NAMBLA voices were strong advocates of no contact and said they would never do that.

I obviously don‘t know what the deal with the nomap guys on Twitter is, but I had assumed they were strong no contact advocates based on the no in the acronym. It could be just ‚going through the motions‘ to protect themselves, obviously.

Does their content give anything away? (Fixating on age or looks of children they are attracted to would obviously be a red flag).

timetostepup · 03/01/2019 16:13

There is a difference between someone who has a history of offending being open with his own community in a bid to stop himself reoffending, and groups of men being open about being attracted to kids, building a network together and seeking to normalised paedophilia as just a type of sexual attraction. The first is laudable, the second is dangerous.

It should NOT be OK for men to publicly advertise their "age of attraction" to kids on social media for example. They're not doing that to help society keep them away from kids - they're doing it to meet likeminded people and form a network.

Even when they say they're no contact, does that mean they're still looking at and sharing CSE images?

These are the people who are customers for realistic child sex dolls. This is not OK.

One of the profiles linked above is for a man who openly admits he's been convicted (most probably of abusing a child) and is on the US equivalent of the sex offender register. But apparently that's in the past now. Hmm If his freedom depends on him denouncing his old ways, how can we trust he means what he says?

Convicted sex criminals and self confessed MAPs should not be afforded a platform to normalise their dangerous perversions.

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Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 15:42

Thanks mn.

Basically there were interesting documents written by said campaigner on posie's fb page relating to a late 70s or early 80s PIE conference, when pie was still 'allowed'.

deepwatersolo · 03/01/2019 15:32

Not so different from the NAMBLA crowd then (allegedly non offending paedophiles). I read some discussions on NAMBLA. To be fair, beside some who hinted, they did/had done stuff and others who said they didn’t only because it is criminalized, there were others who were adamant that acting on their urges would be traumatizing for the kids (I remember one saying he knew what it had done to him) and so they would never ever go down that path.

I am not sure people being open about this is necessarily always a bad thing ( one saw a portrait of a guy who said he outed himself to family and now national tv also as some kind of final commitment to never ever act on it).

Thoughts?

Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 15:23

Damn didn't mean to post the pic, I've reported my post. Doesn't look readable though.

VickyEadie · 03/01/2019 15:22

I know a number of gay men (in fact, all the gay men I know) who would be appalled and horrified at the conflation of gay men with 'paedophile' that's happening here.

As a lesbian who has for some time known the LGBT (blah blah) movement doesn't want me and has no room for me, I don't give a shit about what these twats now doing to their own reputations by aligning themselves with the lowest of the low in society. The repercussions (remember how poorly-read vigilantes went after a paediatrician a few years ago?) will be horrific.

Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 15:21

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andyoldlabour · 03/01/2019 15:11

@VickyEadie

"They're getting support from a few gay men for being included in the LGBT (etc) movements:"

I am not at all surprised about that. Interesting article from Julie Bindel about one of the most visible gay rights activists and his previous history.

www.thearticle.com/peter-tatchell-dismisses-feminists-like-me-as-transphobes-but-he-has-his-own-skeleton-in-the-closet/

Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 15:11

Worth a watch.

Stacey Dooley Investigates, Young Sex for Sale in Japan: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04t0h2b via @bbciplayer

Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 15:09

Sorry Anime too. (Can't remember the distinction between manga and anime.)

Neurotrash · 03/01/2019 15:07

Is the common use / enthusiasm for anime / manga graphics a sign of 4Chan interests or a MAP interest in those big eyed characters with carved figures?

I believe (via the Stacy Dooley documentary) that in Japan paedophilic cartoons are allowed or certainly were very recently, via Manga. I think this is where the link has come from.

timetostepup · 03/01/2019 14:50

VickyEadie that's really worrying. Good to see he's being robustly challenged, but it's mind boggling that he's coming out with that kind of thing int he first place. WTF is going on?

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WakeUpFromYourDreamAndScream · 03/01/2019 14:48

Holy shit this is some deranged bullshit. Saying what ages they are attracted to, one sick bastard has put 2-6. I'm sat with my 2 year old DD on my knee. It makes me sick, is this really what we are heading towards? That this will become normal?

I don't have a twitter account but I will make one and report them