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How to report paedophiles on Twitter?

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timetostepup · 03/01/2019 01:56

A bunch of people who claim to be "non offending" paedophiles have joined twitter recently. They're openly tweeting about being paedophiles. They call themselves MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons) or NOMAPS. Their bios contain info such as the age of children they're attracted to.

I've reported some of them using Twitter's link for reporting Child Sexual Exploitation but I'm not sure if that's the right place as there's no evidence of any child being involved, also I reported them 3 days ago but the accounts are still up and I haven't had anything more than a confirmation - and I don't have a lot faith in twitter at the moment tbh.

They're claiming they're not a threat because they control their urge to offend. But we've been here before haven't we - this is just like PIE.

What should we do? Who can we report this to? Would the police be interested? Are they breaking the law?

Should we mass report Twitter on this?

I've attached an example, to find the others use the hashtags MAP or NOMAP or search for "MAP community".

What's the best way to deal with this?

How to report paedophiles on Twitter?
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MagicMix · 04/01/2019 12:20

To be clear, I think everybody experiences intrusive thoughts about doing horrible things every now and then. This is a normal human experience and if your reaction is to internally shudder and push the thought away, you're pretty much fine I'd say. Consciously indulging in fantasies of violence is quite another matter.

MagicMix · 04/01/2019 12:09

People who 'struggle' with the urge to rape children should experience deep, crippling shame. It should never be acceptable to publicly admit to this unless your legitimate goal is to make yourself a social pariah in order to minimise the chances that you will cause direct harm to a child. I would support that - if a paedophile was genuinely desperate to prevent themselves hurting anybody else, they can get a big face tattoo so that everyone knows they are never to be trusted around children.

But a paedophile looking for pity and acceptance is not OK. It's not a sexual orientation, it's fantasies of child rape. If it is possible through therapy to fully remove these fantasies and turn a paedophile into a normal person who is sickened by the idea of child rape, then brilliant (I'm not sure if this is possible?). If by 'getting help' they mean continuing to fantasise about child rape but controlling themselves just enough that they don't actually rape a child or view images of someone else raping a child, this is not enough. It's quite clear that these Twitter accounts are all advocating that it's fine for paedophiles to continue to nurture and indulge in child rape fantasies and that they have no desire whatsoever to cure themselves of this harmful perversion.

LangCleg · 04/01/2019 11:50

I think it is one thing for sexologists such as Cantor to include and categorise all sexual behaviours under whatever alphabet they choose. It is quite another for a sexologist such as Cantor to suggest that alphabet should be utilised by lobby groups campaigning for changes in public policy. He should clarify or row back.

LangCleg · 04/01/2019 11:47

Many sex offenders in prison will often have more than one paraphilia, cross dressing or AGP is the number one most common paraphilia in sex offenders, it will often come with other paraphilias including for example pedophilia or zoophilia.

See: fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/153.full_.pdf

Multiple Paraphilic Diagnoses among Sex Offenders

Only 10.4 percent of these "average paraphiliacs" had one diagnosis, 19.9 percent had two diagnoses, 20.6 percent had three diagnoses, and 11.5 percent had four diagnoses. The remaining 37.6 percent were concomitantly or nonconcomitantly involved in five to ten different paraphilic behaviors

Of the convicted sex offenders in this study, only 10% had just the one paraphilia.

deepwatersolo · 04/01/2019 11:20

Jesus, managing one‘s paedophilia should obviously include not working in roles as carers... for children.

A kid has a way harder time conceptializing and verbalizing what happened to them, so obviously way stronger safeguarding is needed than for adults. Nah, this Cantor guy clearly has no agenda whatsoever. Hmm

deepwatersolo · 04/01/2019 11:06

Additional info: the 10 or 11 months sentence was fully suspended. The judge was female.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/01/2019 11:02

Jenn Smith
@JennSmith64
People wonder why I'm so opposed to James Cantor,who is being used by the JCCF &other people on our side as an "expert"&"hero" of children.Cantor is a scumbag&if we platform him as a"hero of children"to serve immediate needs,u will severely regret it later. Same with Oren Amitay

mobile.twitter.com/JennSmith64/status/1081036081926008832

deepwatersolo · 04/01/2019 10:53

I won‘t deny that these accounts make me uncomfortable (though I will also say, a lot of stuff regarding Manga, furries, zoophiles... falls into place. The comorbidities are astounding). The platform Twitter is certainly problematic for its wide, indiscriminate reach and for the mere fact that it has interesting ideas of what should and should not be banned (stating that you are attracted to children and ‚love is love‘ is fair game while state that men are not women is not?).

That said, I think it is a mistake to make it hard to impossible for people who struggle with such attraction, to make it known, find competent help and get confirmation that they can handle this without becoming offenders.

If 1% to 5% of men have these attractions (some estimate 9%) this is pervasive, it could be our fathers, brothers, sons who struggle with this in silence, (hopefully) without ever acting on it. I‘d rather know and maybe help manage this.

I know a women whose now EX DH was convicted for having thousands of pictures on his computer (including violent abuse of babies). She never suspected anything, married for about 20 years.

Now, quite possibly, he would not have done anything differently, had there been support and non offending ‚role models‘, but at least the judge might not have been compelled to keep the sentence under 1 year so he could keep his super save Uni job, because ‚with that taboo, where could he turn‘, while he declared ‚I am so relieved this is out, now I can seek help‘.

Watching this has been quite a revelation for me.

CisMyArse · 04/01/2019 10:44

A pp has said not to report to Twitter but to use the links posted on this thread instead. If twitter acts on these reports then the accounts will vanish and become untraceable.

I think reporting them to the relevant crime agencies is more effective? I may reactivate my account just to hunt these accounts, troll or not - they need dealing with.

Hiding in full view, indeed. And they are getting bolder.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/01/2019 10:44

But Harrop can get the police to visit glinner because he tweeted a news interview of Harrop and Posie?

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/01/2019 10:39

Lovely @JonnyBest is really going for Cantor on Twitter. Good on you, Jonny.

I've just rung my local police non-emergency number to express my concerns about the proliferation of MAPs on twitter and was told there is nothing they can do and to use the twitter complaints procedure. Explained I've done that to no avail and was told the only other thing I could do is take out a private prosecution against twitter Confused

Earlywalker · 04/01/2019 10:21

That is horrifying Sad how can anyone be so open about it and their age of attraction?! They want to ‘normalise’ paedophilia? It is sooo wrong. What on earth is next? ‘non offending sexual assaulters’ or ‘non offending murders’ Angry

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 04/01/2019 10:10

I've had another 12 hour ban after retTweeting JY's picture with the Twitter founder.

MagicMix · 04/01/2019 10:10

One thing we can do is refuse to play along with the rebrand. Never call these worms maps or nomaps - call them paedophiles. They know the acronym makes them seem less harmful and makes their perversion seem more like a valid sexual orientation. Yes, it's important to know what the code means, but never play along.

As we've seen really clearly in recent years, words are important. We absolutely must not let paedos take control of the language surrounding paedophilia.

hellandhairnets · 04/01/2019 09:57

The James Cantor Twitter thread is really disturbing. He's someone who's been followed by loads of GC people - and he's now saying that anyone who is calling out his view 'as a gay man' that the P should be added to the LGBTQ+ is basically aligning themselves with far right conservatives. Being called out by quite a few appalled gay men, which is good, but...he's so open about it and is doubling down on his view.

This really is scary. The "right to sex" rules at all costs, including paedophilia, regardless of who it hurts or whether it's consensual. WTF is going on that this is all being openly defended now?

Kismetjayn · 04/01/2019 09:43

I have spoken to my local non-emergency police force about this and another social media group of paedophiles I stumbled upon when looking for support recovering from my own abuse.

They know about it and they are doing something about it, is the response I got. The other social media group I had concerns about they hadn't heard of but took all the info to do something with. They aren't just ignoring it afaik :)

deepwatersolo · 04/01/2019 09:41

Ok, will use that. (Never considered this. In my mind porn has this ultra-vile connotation - possibly my Catholic upbringing Wink).

Qcng · 04/01/2019 09:35

TweedAddict
What’s the furry reference mean, seen it about at bit and I can’t work it out

There is a fetish amoungst some paraphiliacs for dressing up in animal costumes, bears, cats etc who call themselves "furries". It may be limited to just that in some cases, but some can use this as a cover to "lure" children through the playful dressing up so they can be intimate with childen. One young boy was raped at a furry party not long ago.

Online, a "furry" fetishist says they enjoy watching say cartoon sex between animals and there's frequently an Anime link, think big-eyed, child faced, long pink hair, big boobs, cute pussy cat ears, when you look at "furry" cartoon porn it's often basically a metaphor for child abuse. (I haven't seen it, but read about it there was a Twitter Thread recently) crying, wailing baby type characters being held down and raped by the big daddy "cat" or "bear" or whatever.

It's really dark.

Many sex offenders in prison will often have more than one paraphilia, cross dressing or AGP is the number one most common paraphilia in sex offenders, it will often come with other paraphilias including for example pedophilia or zoophilia.

Our favourite furry AGP of the Lib-Dems (formerly Greens) with the tortured 10 year old in the attic, also has a fetish for dressing as an adult baby, eg.

Basically you'll frequently find cutesey child like cartoon characters with animal ears attached to the online profiles of some seriously dodgy people.

Qcng · 04/01/2019 09:17

Use of the term "porn" blurs the issue, because people reading it uncritically will think it to mean something sexual between consenting people, both of whom are alright with what's happening.

Images or videos of child abuse is simply a clearer and more accurate term. Also the term images or videos of sexual abuse against women works when talking about porn.

deepwatersolo · 04/01/2019 07:43

Badger I (apparently contrary to you) generally consider pornography - just as prostitution - sexual abuse, as I contest the notion that something you are compelled to do for money and for what you often have been ‚primed‘ by CSA is an expression of free will (the fact that women compelled to do are usually from shitpoor backgrounds, often from shitpoor countries, and grew up in homes where abuse, violence and addiction were rife speaks volumes).

I was not aware that using the term porn is incompatible with this position. Now I know.

WakeUpFromYourDreamAndScream · 04/01/2019 07:39

Holy shit. Can we not report this to the police somehow?

Vixxxy · 04/01/2019 03:12

The more I read on this the worse I feel

twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1072934665248489472

Twitter ban feminists by the dozen, yet allow these men free reign and they even seem to be picking up fucking supporters among the masses, which I assume was the entire point. No way this is just '4chan trolling'.

Vixxxy · 04/01/2019 02:05

Also to stress, my post above is in no way saying actual trans people are pedophiles. No. But I do think a fair few have hopped onto the trans bandwagon after seeing an opening for themselves and their own sick reasons. Abusers of many kinds, including the paedophile ones.

Vixxxy · 04/01/2019 02:04

This is genuinely concerning, the sudden appearance of all of these blokes trying to normalize this.

But not entirely unexpected. Pie revamped really. And I know that any mention of the two together is apparently a nono on here, but surely its time to start wondering if this transing children and 'MAP' stuff is linked. Its been in the back of my head for a very very long time now that this 'kids can consent to life changing drugs' stuff that they seem to have got a chunk of the population to believe (cheers to grooming in plain sight, with butterfly and the likes) is just a step away from 'kids can consent to sex'. I have to wonder if we are now approaching the end game. Many of the demands and expectations from a fair few TRAs and such have clearly not been about anything to do with wanting better rights for transsexual people. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so. Watching this with sickened interest...

Badgerthebodger · 04/01/2019 00:00

deepwatersolo I’m going to pull you up on “child porn” and “CP”. There is no child open, only child sexual abuse and exploitation. Whilst I understand your point, and can see that perhaps treating peadophiles who do not want to offend in a different manner might be helpful (I don’t know); I absolutely cannot countenance the sort of despicable creature who would advertise themselves on Twitter as a “MAP”.

I’m going to say, “No. FUCK OFF. All of them can fuck off to the far side of fuck until they can prove, beyond any reasonable doubt of course, that they have never and will never commit a disgusting crime against children. Innocent until proven guilty? Well, in my eyes you’ve proven yourself guilty because you admit you’re a peadophile. You’re just making a fake “promise” you won’t act on it. A cursory look at these profiles shows any number of links and creepy fetishes. Just no. Let’s just not. These disgusting fuckers shouldn’t have a platform to groom their victims. It should t be ok to post in your profile that you’re a MAP peadophile

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