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How are people in authority not seeing this?

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Juells · 02/01/2019 12:05

After Jimmy Saville, Catholic priests, paedophile rings, all the warnings and disasters that have come to light over the past thirty years, why are authorities queuing up to allow people who are neither experts nor educators to have unfettered access to children, to talk to them about their identity and sexuality? It's like a feeding frenzy, where men are being welcomed in with open arms to tell everyone that safe spaces aren't required. Filling children's heads with ideas that they're not old enough to understand. Bypassing parents, agreeing to keep secrets from parents, over-ruling parents.

It's so bonkers that it makes me want to cry. People have learned nothing from the abuse that children have been subjected to in the past when there was inadequate safeguarding. At least there was an excuse in the past, because things were hushed up. But there's no excuse now.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 03/01/2019 09:58

The global wealthy and the politicians who allow children to live without food, shelter, or medicine rather than fund help for them will have little qualms about any other aspect of their lives.

Depressing, but true.

Destinysdaughter · 03/01/2019 07:21

Just had a look at that New Backkash blog mentioned above, it’s well worth a read:

thenewbacklash.blogspot.com/2015/03/thank-you-for-visiting-my-blog.html?m=1

womanformallyknownaswoman · 03/01/2019 06:55

EJennings

This!!

People underestimate the strategic nature of most acts of violence. How does totalitarianism take root? How did Nazi Germany, USSR, Mao’s China come to pass?

Many in power have no conscience, seeing others as objects for their use. They attract others who like having power over others. The rest in positions of power like to be liked to be re-elected/ maintain income / keep the thugs away.

It’s how perpetrators of violence get away with it more often than not - they know from previous experience how to cry wolf and deflect consequences for their behaviour.

Most acts of violence are strategic ...ask any DV survivor - every action, whether violent or not, from a perpetrator, is all part of a planned manipulation and exploitation

LizzieSiddal · 03/01/2019 02:23

People who are too busy or stupid to critically think through the implications of the “education/training” being provided by certain interested parties.

Plus..

Children and women are not important. They don’t need to see it, they don’t need to worry about it, they literally do not care what is happening.

EJennings · 03/01/2019 01:09

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AnotherBewilderedQuoll · 02/01/2019 16:59

I guess it's just one of those things that the most prominent activists and the ones whose organisations are consulted by politicians, govt departments etc, are, being "sex positive" and all, closely linked or actually part of the sex industry.
The Canadian "dominatrix" (H.H.) up front of the 2018 Vancouver Women's March, is one example of a high profile "sex worker" who would have a range of clients from all walks of life...and a network of HH's own demographic within the trade.

bluescreen · 02/01/2019 16:41

No, I don't see any conspiracy either, just a bandwagon and a downhill slope, and some people who are expert at steering.

To the people on the bandwagon I want to say: How much is it costing you? And how much are you asking other people to pay?
To which the answers of course are a) it costs bandwagonners nothing to shout slogans and b) they don't care who the other people are or what it costs the people in their path.

Juells · 02/01/2019 16:35

"Let's give men with fetishes access to children. That will work out well, nothing can possibly go wrong."

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HandsOffMyRights · 02/01/2019 16:27

Juells, I feel exactly the same. It feels like we are trapped in the plot of The Wicker Man.

My child's HT believes Stonewall to be credible, trusts the DfE and reads School Week (which praises Stonewall and persecutes TransgenderTrend). He trusts the 'voices' of authority, despite the mounting evidence and parents like me expressing concern.

It's some awful Dystopian plot and I'm constantly horrified/in despair that the influencers and decision-makers won't/can't see the Emperor.

It's always about sex, money, power. I believe that somebody has some dirt on key politicians/decision-makers, that pharmaceuticals have big stakes here and that PIE paedophiles are running the show.

merrymouse · 02/01/2019 16:27

It only takes a couple of MPs in the right places to control things.

There are at least two MPs in parliament who can control things? Where are they? Grin

merrymouse · 02/01/2019 16:24

Honesty, do you think if there was a secret cable of pedophiles running the world it wouldn't already have leaked by now?

Yes - I think Saville happened because he chose victims who didn't have much power and it was easier for people to look away. There wasn't a big conspiracy.

Wide spread abuse happens when a large group of people lack agency, not because the abusers are criminal geniuses.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/01/2019 16:22

It only takes a couple of MPs in the right places to control things.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/01/2019 16:19

if there was a secret cable of pedophiles running the world it wouldn't already have leaked by now? SOMEONE would have bragged about it, somewhere.

People have bragged and gloated haven't they, I can thing of one well known dead one.

I don't think they are running the world.

merrymouse · 02/01/2019 16:19

What about the other countries that have suddenly adopted this too?

Maybe this is my Anglophone bias, but I think this seems to be happening mainly in Anglophone countries? Social media means that this issue crosses borders very easily, whichever side of the debate you are on.

PineappleSunrise · 02/01/2019 16:18

See also: students across the Anglosphere suddenly worried about appropriating Mexican culture, in spite of having no history of doing so. The Interwebs make it really easy for ideas to spread quickly, and people to form tribes of like minds across borders and timezones.

PineappleSunrise · 02/01/2019 16:16

Zeitgeist. (And that fact that it's coming up in Western cultures where anti-sexism and anti-homophobia campaigns have recently coincided with hyper-capitalism and social media makes that MORE likely to be bottom-up, not less.)

Honesty, do you think if there was a secret cable of pedophiles running the world it wouldn't already have leaked by now? SOMEONE would have bragged about it, somewhere.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/01/2019 16:13

What about the other countries that have suddenly adopted this too?

PineappleSunrise · 02/01/2019 16:09

Completely agree, Victoriapestis. The idea that there's some sort of top-down conspiracy directing all this is a bit too Illuminati for me. I find it far easier to believe that a well-organised lobby group has found exactly the right moment to set out their case, and our politicians are too busy trying to accrue brownie points with news organisations and the public to think through the outcomes and impacts in anything like the required detail.

Victoriapestis · 02/01/2019 15:43

When it comes to the big things that affect our lives- the economy, the environment, etc, there is surprisingly little that a national government can do to affect those things in isolation.

But of course every government wants to be seen to be doing something. Hence the rise in the political world of the pressure group, representing marginal social issues that governments can actually do something about. Our elected representatives are entirely in thrall to single intest pressure groups, Commissioners, Commissions, etc. These put forward proposals for legislative and executive change, which MPs etc run with. The trans lobby is a particularly well organised example.

A related problem is the very low calibre of most our of elected representatives- MPs, Ministers, etc. The reality is the vast majority of them couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag, let alone analyse the report a pressure group hands to them. No idea why this is- perhaps it is that MPs’ salaries are no longer competitive enough to attract the truly bright, perhaps the general contempt for politics means that the talented and clever pass it up as a career.

And of course, the leaders of the pressure groups, Commissioners, etc, probably do see. But these people do very well out of it.

So, ineffectiveness and low calibre of politicians/MPs, on the one hand, and greed on part of pressure group gravy trainers. A toxic combination.

merrymouse · 02/01/2019 15:37

I'm still baffled that the NSPCC advise that children over the age of 10 shouldn't share a bedroom with somebody of the opposite sex, but can't bring themselves to define somebody of the opposite sex.

Also the idea that nobody would identify as trans if they weren't trans, but Stonewall's definition of trans includes pretty much everyone.

The most disappointing thing is that people who I respect for being able to pull apart policy on the Irish Border in great detail somehow think self ID wouldn't affect the EA.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/01/2019 15:07

How are people in authority not seeing this?

They are and a few of them are pushing it.
This is not being campaigned for by Joe piblic, It's being pushed from above.

userschmoozer · 02/01/2019 14:53

For me, this has been a real wake up call about how easy it is for a very few people to use human behaviour to influence the actions of the majority.
There is no carrot in this scenario, long term there is only the stick, and at some point the fake virtue crowd are going to wake up to that.
Then there will be some kind of mindless group backlash. Its all so tedious and predictable.

FleetsumNJetsum · 02/01/2019 14:42

Badstyley-- the sooner and the later have ALREADY HAPPENED. I'm starting to embrace tin hattery and think that a lot of very high up people are controlling the direction of society here. There is thought control and silenced politicians. Bloggers and websites are being shut down to protect sexual predators. And WE are the bad guys. In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

terryleather · 02/01/2019 14:11

I'm also starting to think that some of the "woke bros" are actually pretty uncomfortable themselves around gender nonconforming people and are projecting their own repressed distaste onto others. How else to explain their ability to illogically accuse lesbians and aging feminists of harbouring irrational hatred for all gender non-conforming people?

This is a really interesting point Pineapple and one I've seen expressed before, puts me in mind of these tweets regarding disgust tolerance from the amazing woman who wrote The New Backlash .

I don't think she's on Twitter these days which is a real shame.

How are people in authority not seeing this?
ChewyLouie · 02/01/2019 14:00

I agree with the victim statement above - a movement for privileged white males to claim to be vulnerable, powerless victims.
Sit back and watch the patriarchy in action for the right kind of victim.

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