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MTV star Lachlan Watson's gender trip

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SignMeUp · 01/01/2019 00:21

www.mtv.com/news/3107736/lachlan-watson-non-binary-journey/
Here's a celebrity saying how they went from lesbian ish (age 13) to You-tube transed, to non binary. Then went ahead with the mastectomy anyway. Fascinatingly weirdly encouraging.

What do you make of this latest trend setting?

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Summerhillsquare · 01/01/2019 10:23

Urbanbeetler has it exactly right. How do we get across to young people that it's societal stereotyping that's wrong, not their bodies?

TornFromTheInside · 01/01/2019 10:22

Yes, the seed was initially sewn when we allowed people to believe their bodies were the problem and enhancement was the solution.
When that didnt work, the next wave is that it's the wrong body entirely.

I'm poised to suggest it's our wrong thinking that is the issue, but someone will then develop brain swapping as a solution.

Urbanbeetler · 01/01/2019 10:16

It’s not such a big step from making breast unrealistically large and oddly shaped to making them totally flat.

Urbanbeetler · 01/01/2019 10:13

We didn’t complain as much when really young women and teens had breast enhancement surgery because they were dissatisfied with their bodies. We should have shouted louder then - we were setting a precedent for the whole idea of making surgical changes to perfectly healthy, functioning bodies. That whole premise is wrong.

Whatevszz · 01/01/2019 10:12

torn Now that plastic surgery is more acceptable / available, it seems like the cat is out of the bag.

TornFromTheInside · 01/01/2019 10:02

Ok, here is a thinking out loud moment...

During puberty I and many of my peers felt out of place, not understood, wanted to change the world, and wanted to rebel against expectation.
It was what teens did, but as every prior generation before us had done, we felt we were the real deal and really meant it this time...

I fast forward to today, and there is a new way to protest, to rebel and to escape (seemingly). A way to escape the mixed up feelings you have. It's to escape your sex and become a different gender. To a teenager it is a plausible explanation for the feelings inside. It's an attractive proposition to dabble in being the opposite gender, and it's a cause worth fighting for...

It is so compelling, many teens have chosen this option, just as former generations chose free love, or green hair. Only this time, the course of action can result in permanent life changes.

In some ways my thoughts might sound like I am reducing transexuality to passing fad. A result of teenage angst. And whilst for some it could be a far more complex psychological or physiological phenomenon, could it not be true that transexuality is the current generation's cause?

If a teen is not happy with their life, the new option is to radically redefine it, not to wait for it to evolve.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/01/2019 09:59

A double mastectomy is a significant surgical intervention, with multiple risks.
Agree that taking testosterone on top of this surgery is worse, but this is not harmless.
It also reinforces the idea that women with breasts are “choosing” to be objectified and subject to the feminine gender role.
No thanks.

Qcng · 01/01/2019 09:49

Chopping your tits off doesn't even stop the world perceiving you as female. It's in the face and voice and overall size/shape.
Lots of obviously female pp are flat chested.

And it's the most twattish thing ever to force people to use counter-intuitive pronouns, especially "they/them" which make no grammatical sense when actually used.

userschmoozer · 01/01/2019 09:40

There's nothing encouraging about other forms of self hate or dysphoria, so you have to ask why is this manifestation of self hate tolerated, let alone pushed by governments?

PhoenixBuchanan · 01/01/2019 04:36

This is a trend I am recently noticing more and more in the very woke corner of the world where I live- young women (all same sex attracted) identifying as non-binary, using they pronouns, going by a gender-neutral name and having double mastectomies. However they are not identifying as trans men or taking testosterone, and there doesn't seem to be any plan to do so, non binary isn't a "gateway drug" so to speak.

I'm a little bit baffled by it and can't decide if it's a tiny step in a saner direction... or really what on earth is going on here. Clearly it's a quite tragic and misguided way of trying to opt out of society's expectations of the female, but it also just seems to be really faddy at the moment.

Stilettosandan0venglove · 01/01/2019 03:37

From the article:

"For the entirety of puberty I ran into that, where every problem that I had with my body wasn’t that I wanted to be male; it was specifically that I didn’t want the world to look at my body and inherently deem me female and inherently decide just by looking at me what I can or cannot do, how I’m supposed to sound, what I’m supposed to say, what my career is going to look like, how I’m supposed to act, my mannerisms. Everything could have been deemed by taking one look at my body because society assumes that’s what we’re bred and born to do,” he said of the gender dysphoria — a psychology term to describe the emotional effects a person experiences when there’s a disconnect between their gender identity and biological sex — he endured throughout Acts 1 and 2. “Seeing myself as female every time I look in the mirror is painful in a way I will never be able to describe.”

Feeling like this has led to the speaker having a mastectomy aged 17.

Thingybob · 01/01/2019 02:23

Encouraging? Really?

So she stars in a teen drama pushing all this gender/queer identity rubbish.

I'm guessing the people that look up to and are likely to emulate Lachlan Watson are confused teens. Thing is they won't have the talent, the beauty, the money or the luck she has. It's a bit like the young boys who had their first tattoo wanting to look like David Beckham but are now overweight 30 year olds with a big black blobs on their backs.

But it will be much, much worse!

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